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ontheedge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reporting to social services doesn't always have > negative consequences, maybe these are parents who > are desperate for help and not coping, social > services maybe able to offer advice and maybe much > needed support to parents who maybe at the end of > their tether and because of the "middle class > label" not so overtly obvious as needing help. I > wouldn't hesitate in contacting Social Services as > these parents may be desperate for help but may > not be hitting the radar as a family in need due > to perceived ability to cope. totally agree kids are hard work and bad habits and getting in a rut is easy

I will judge for myself tomorrow, the lads have said the weekends is the worst, when the children (definitely under the age of 3, according to my fianc?) are thrown in the garden with no explanation from their parents, just a barrage of swear words and shut ups?? a lot. I?m sure time-out is explained and when kids are being naughty not just noisy? If I am AT ALL worried about the children I will report it to the appropriate authorities.

Belle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh come on Zeban, we don't know all the facts > here. I don't think it's anything to do with the > couple being described as 'middle class', I think > it's more that quite a few of us on here are > parents who use 'time out' as a reasonable > disclipinary measure. Of course what's happening > here may be far removed from that - but we don't > know either way. there's a danger (no disrespect > to the OP here) in things getting distorted when > they are 2nd or 3rd hand in the telling. For > instance, my son at the moment has a favourite > game of pretending he is 'stuck' somewhere, and I > can envisage this happening in the garden and him > screaming 'help, help' which is part of the game. > This could easily be misinterpreted. This is an > extremely sensitive and difficult issue, I think > is all people are saying - nobody is saying let's > ignore it, more, proceed with caution. > > I think absolutely mention it - poss under the > guise as a noise complaint - and their reaction > might be quite telling, and shd inform the next > step. I have to say if my brother in law and his male housemate (both in their 30?s with no children of there own) felt the need to say to my fianc? ?you should see the what the neighbours are doing to their kids? and for my fianc? to come home and tell me, the first thing about what he heard and saw, I?m guessing my garden investigations are going to shock me too. I will let you all know tomorrow

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Go in to the garden and give the kids treats over > the fence. That'll piss the parents off! thats the spirit !!!!

Okay so my fianc? has just told me it?s not just when they are being naughty, it?s when they start making too much noise, the parents scream shut up, shut up and throw them out the back door. I?m definitely going over to investigate tomorrow, I?ll be camped in the back garden! And I do think 2 ish is still babies!!!!

Don?t get me wrong, I know all children need good discipline, I have to say I don?t totally disagree with the odd bottom smack?but?? surely this is just lazy parenting which is giving the babies abandonment issues?

Hi edanna My fianc? said they are not even being told to stay outside for a while, ?just slung out there and left?. I think maybe I should go hang out in the garden and listen in for myself, but I?ll probably end up vaulting the fence?poor babies!! they say it happens all the time :(

Advice please Dulwich. My brother in law lives next door to a middle-class typical new Dulwich couple who have 2 toddlers. My fianc? came home today after visiting and said the mother had locked the toddlers out in the garden after they had been naughty then the father came home from work and did the same thing again for at least 10 minutes a time, while the kids are screaming and crying and saying daddy I love you please let me back in. Now I would love to just call social services and have them deal with it, but I have a feeling it will be ignored? Should I go over and say something to the parents?