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karter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lets have a mini vote here then, I SAY NO TO CPZ > (td) > > anybody else??? (td)

Bobby P Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh, and still not received the survey here on > Melbourne Grove. Perhaps they know I'd vote > against! Beginning to think the same myself Bobby P!

JBARBER Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Several posts have asked for a Controlled Parking > Zone free for residents. > Controlled Parking Zones cost money to run. > Roughly 50% of households in Southwark do not own > or run a car. It would clearly be unfair for those > without cars to subsidise the running costs of a > Controlled Parking Zone via Council Tax for those > with cars. > Hence the need to charge. > > The current charge is ?91 per annum. In the survey > we've asked residents to tell us whether they > think it should be related to CO2 emissions or > not. > > What do you think? > > Regards james barber > Liberal Democrat councillor for East Dulwich > www.jamesbarber.org.uk Hello Mr Barber, Can you please PM me a copy of the survey? As I have stated earlier, I did not receive one in Lacon Road. Ta very much.

nicw Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm on Ashbourne and have an absolute nightmare > with parking. I've have 2 toddlers and often have > to park miles away from my house and I loathe the > prospect of hauling them, myself and the shopping > half way down the street after work/nursery. I > would hate to see ED with fully restricted > parking, being unrestricted has I believe > contributed to the "essence" of ED. > However what drives me utterly nuts are the > commuters who use the roads around the station to > park for 12 hours at a stretch! They must be > stopped! And I think that a solution to this lies > in the system that's practiced in Herne Hill; > where parking is restricted for 2 hours in the > middle of the day. Surely this is a practical > compromise? Not having a pop at you in particular nicw, but when you say that you "have to park miles away from my house" and then mention "half way down the street" what do you actually mean? You can park in your street but not near your house, or you have to opt for a street or two away? The suggestion of a limited period of residents parking only during the day to foil the alleged commuter problem (as has been discussed before), I am not against it in principal, just as long as the council do not try and charge residents for a pass. In regard to SeanMacGabhann's view, he is of course correct that we need to wean ourselves away from petroleum-fired autos.

She'llsurvive Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > nice to see that even in the libdem-voting > fashionable inner cities the massive majority are > passionately against anything that might make it > slightly more inconvenient to make needless short > term car journeys. phew. Do you mean that a CPZ would deter visitor driving or that it would discourage home usage? With no CPZ, maybe residents would have seconds thoughts about their car journey for fear of losing "their" space?

I took a detour from an afternoon stroll up Dog Kennel Hill last Wednesday and walked down the length of Derwent Grove. This was around 2.15pm and I counted 3 empty car parking spaces. There was actual space for 5-6 cars if people had parked more considerately. Now this was obviously a COMPLETLEY RANDOM, UNSCIENTIFIC study, but I was surprised at the number of spaces available for the time of day. One further observation from my perambulation is that there is a block of flats at the East Dulwich Grove end of Derwent. Even if only half of the occupants are car owners, they will still significantly contribute (as is their right) to the take up of parking spaces in the area. Perhaps the problem is not as "commuter based" as we might assume? Finally, I would just say that where one lives gives advantages and disadvantages. People who own or let in the streets around a mainline station benefit from higher value and higher rent for their properties. This is often the selling/renting point in estate agent literature. Many consider the convenience of having a two-minute walk to the station very advantageous. The downside is that you may get commuter impact as others seek the advantage. I live further from the station but closer to the loved/loathed Northcross/Lordship Lane market and shops. I enjoy the fact that, if I choose to, I can buy pretty much all of my weekly essentials without having to encounter the "glories" of public transport. My disadvantage is that lots of people wish to drive to experience the ""delights" of East Dulwich. Some of the people who provide the "delights" also wish/need to drive to their work. This means that parking for me is sometimes inconvenient but not unacceptably so. That is my trade off for my location. I am happy with it and it does not need (in my view ineffectual) tampering.

Nothing received in Lacon road for me.

Shouldn't we be celebrating the fact that we still have a choice of where we shop locally? Surely it is far better that we have two or three bods charging prices "fairly(in our mind)", what they can get away with, or realistically based on their overheads, than we are stuck with only one shop charging what it likes. If you shop around for petrol you will find a wide variance in price depending on where you are, but it depends on how much you want to search and travel. The majority of consumer items are far cheaper on-line than most retail outlets, but I still enjoy going to Chener books and having a proper browse and paying more than I would if I used the likes of Amazon etc. Once these places go, they are gone for good (I know for many this may not be a bad thing when it comes to Ralon and its infamous owner!)

Happy if Controlled parking is brought in, as long as residents receive a free permit (one per household.)?? I won't hold my breath. I haven't seen the Lib Dem "survey"; I do remember the last survey for CPZ's. It was very fairly worded. I seem to recall we were told that with the introduction of the congestion charge, East Dulwich residents would face an Armada of commuter vehicles parking all the way up LL and the side streets. Funny that it doesn?t appear to have happened? As I have stated previously when this subject has come up, occasional parking inconvenience is something that I put up with. It is one of the disadvantages of being a car user. The inconvenience is minor however. I occasionally have to park in a road around the corner from my own, yet I always find that there is a good turnover of spaces and normally within 20 mins or less a space or more appears if I want to (anally) go and repark my car right outside my house. My experience of using residents? permits is that you still have similar "problems" to the above, but now you are paying an annual sum for the privilege!

Has the search for certain CD's expanded (and become more desperate?)

Heartily agree. I didn't want it here, but when it arrived I have just not used it. However, if they have tried to do the usual corporate skullduggery then they deserve to be hammered.

It would be interesting to know if this (lazy locals over lazy commuters) is the case. If it is, the one hour residents scheme would not work. I must admit I have not heard of the one hour scheme and if the problem is commuters then in principal it could work. I would still not be happy in being charged for it though. If the council allocated one free resident pass per vehicle per electorally registered property then that is a different matter.

Controlling the parking around the station is a different issue. I don't park near it and so I don't know what the situation is like for residents. If there is a significant problem that can be put down to people driving into London to work and then using the East Dulwich/Peckham rail services to complete the commute, then I agree that there should be some control. This would probably mean that more commuters would start to seek parking further down the lane and its side roads. But even so, I would rather see what the effect of this would be than to want a blanket control for the whole of East Dulwich. As others have pointed out, one of the reasons for the recent East Dulwich "glamour", is the market and the shops. Their presence "raises" the area, but the down side is increased traffic. Making it difficult for people to drive and park to use the shops will mean that they will go else where. I don't think many of the gift shops and market holders would survive without non-resident business. I for one hardly use them, it would be interesting to hear how many ED residents do? At the end of the day it is a question of balance and I tend to have an inbuilt caution when it comes to any council attempting to regulate things. Too often I have seen a heavy handed "blanket" solution (that is more driven by finance than residents' needs) completely bugger up a road/area.

NO No No The reasons (in no particular order):- The council will oversell the number of resident permits so that we will all be fighting for the same spaces as happens now. There could be fewer parking spaces than now as special boxes/lines will be painted onto the relevant streets and from past experience these tend to "encroach" on the available space. Our lovely streets (by most London borough standards) will become cluttered with warning signs and (potentially) ticket machines. May seem trivial, but it is a pleasure to walk around East Dulwich and look down a street and see nothing more than lamp posts, trees and the occasional dog turd. Next time you are in Central London, or the wonderful borough of Lambeth take a look at a residential street. Cluttered, messy and not very "homely." The enforcement will be tendered to whom ever offers the Council the biggest "return." This will mean that you will be penalised at the slightest infraction. Yes, you will be able to dispute and undoubtedly win each and every time, but this takes up your time, your energy. Having to do this every other month when you or your visitors forget to display a permit, parks over their time, etc etc will become beyond tedious. I have lived in East Dulwich for the past 7-8 years. I live off Northcross road and regularly use my car. Sometimes I can park right out the front of my house, sometimes a few doors down and on the odd occasion I have to park in another street. I have to take in account that if I return home during the Northcross road Mosque prayer times I may have to park further away than at other times. On Saturday if I return during the day I may have to circle several times or park a block away, but this is only for a few minutes. The parked cars at "peak times" seem to have a fairly regular turnover. To conclude, I sometimes suffer mild inconvenience if I use my car but it is bearable. I see no point in being forced to pay for a permit to probably not see much difference in what I have to deal with now.