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If Southwark is so short of burial space Why! Oh! Why! isn't Southwark utilising the extensive reserved ground for burials located beside Camberwell New Cemetery otherwise named as a 'recreation ground?

Given present urgent need for Southwark burial space which was always readily available within Camberwell New Cemetery's ample 'over-the-cemetery-fence-spill-over-space-recreation-ground' and not utilised for its purpose for decades - there has to be suspicions (does there not?) of possible dirty dealings that may be dug up from Southwark/Lewisham data files that reference the two councils understanding about plans for that 'shared' Southwark burial acreage. Southwark, despite urgent space needed for interring, would seem to be deterred from using Rec space for easily available interments. And, another question - Has the Rec ground been historically or latterly listed as Holy Ground? I.e. sanctified as burial land as any cemetery space is? If so, why are dogs pooing and ruffians running amok on that 'last resting place land'? Meantime, Camberwell Old and New Cemeteries thought to be overfilled many times over are now unnecessarily being poked, prodded and dug about for evermore 'reusable-refusable-disusable-six-food-under-nook-&-cranny-last-homes-for-the-dead'. Disgraceful!

Like Squatters Rights where squatters can (or, used to be able to) own a property after so many years of squatting residency sees "Temporary" for the LB Southwark re said Camberwell New Cemetery land (Recreation ground) probably means Southwark has forever 'queered its pitch' (pardon the pun) as Lewisham being the land-grabbing squatter has pretty much been allowed to appropriate said unused Southwark burial patch for so long. 'Temporary' as applied to that particular piece of Southwark people's designated burial land appears to imply Lewisham gamesters and dog-poo people can have the land 'Forever'.

And, to imagine ALL this could have been avoided years ago had Southwark Council properly re-appropriated for the purpose acres of unused designated Southward owned burial ground that is the adjacent land to Camberwell New Cemetery that has been to all intents and purposes GIVEN gratis to the LB of Lewisham as a play field. How dare Southwark Council give away land belonging to the people of Southwark to another borough.

Build your bonfire and label it as a celebration of some 'ethnic festival'. Date of November 5th is just one legitimate reason to have a bonfire. There must be loads of other calendar dates throughout the year where 'ethnic bonfires' can be lit. Lol

Have just noted this older thread about 'St. Anthony's Church, East Dulwich' while trying to see if that church still existed after noting an old postcard of the church. There doesn't appear to be a St. Anthony's church in the area other than the name given to an East Dulwich primary school. (See attached photo)

Yes, I was at 'Save Southwark Woods' Council meeting. Pics show dumped area. After dumping it was quickly overgrown and continued to be dumped with all sorts of incidental waste - some from cemetery maintenance I would say as Hollyhocks, Pampas Grass and other garden waste floribunda regrew on the site. I noted mature trees were buried high up to their upper trunks and quickly died. Residue dead trunks will no doubt be evident inside 'the dumped hill' to be landscaped soon. Fauna and flora has, of course, taken advantage of the area including a Brimstone butterfly I managed to stalk and photo on opportunist buddleja c.2009. Such butterflies are shy creatures preferring wild habitats unfrequented by Homo sapiens. Any proposed landscaping that follows general municipal pepper-potting blandness, constant mowing and strimming and ignorance of 'bio-diverse habitats' will not expect to see a re-visitation of the Brimstone butterfly or its shy ilk. Last summer in the wooded area of Camberwell Old Cemetery I saw for the first time in some surprising number (as in Brockley & Ladywell Cemeteries) Ringlet butterflies normally seen in more rural localities. (See/click blue numbered attached pic refs below)

As a local amateur archivist (founder member of FoBLC) I am very interested in London cemeteries. I have a library of digital photos of Camberwell Old Cemetery going back many years including 1 or 2 pics of 'illegal dumped area' when first appeared. What a wonderful cemetery for its fauna and flora? See attached (click below) old print I have of Camberwell old Cemetery when first set up in 1850's as 'The new cemetery at Forest Hill'.

Daniel and his brother's 'Dulwich Heating & Plumbing' (Mobile: 07852 757654) is, certainly, to be re-recommended. At short notice on a Sunday emergency I called them (as recommended by someone in my street) and they were on my doorstep in Nunhead by the hour ready to fix a sudden leak from my toilet cistern which threatened to flood my home. As well, I mentioned a further ongoing leak problem to my mains loft tank during 'my telephone call out' where an additional 'domestic plumbing problem' was fixed with required parts that needed doing for ages. - And, altogether with ongoing consultation as to what was being done with what required replacement part and final assessment of 'a job well done'.

This "TROLL" has posted all too eagerly. But, because I dissent against 'the general line' I am now seeming to be 'deleted' by person or persons unknown because of my 'vigorous dissenting'. LOL! javascript:editor_tools_handle_smiley()

This "TROLL" has posted all too eagerly. But, because I dissent against 'the general line' I am now seeming to be 'deleted' by person or persons unknown because of my 'vigorous dissenting'. LOL!

For attention of administrator: Please specify for sake of fairness and non-bias "defamatory comments" that caused you to delete certain posts of a third party and, also, of my most recent post which was composed, knowingly, not to insult or defame anyone. Otherwise, this thread leaves itself open to bias as to the Camberwell New Cemetery issue re: 'overspill burial ground/sports field'. The additional issue raised re: illegal dumping in Southwark cemeteries also needs clarifying as to what posts (or what part of a post) was/were deemed defamatory. Otherwise, again, certain bias may be levelled at you the 'administrator' of this thread. If, as you state above "Anyone posting defamatory comments is liable for their comments" then why delete certain posts when onus is, as you say, rests entirely with 'posters for their comments'?

For the sake of a true record on issues I would suggest NO post should be removed. Otherwise, a skewed or unbalanced point of view prevails. Certainly, if offence, insult or libel, etc. is apparent then the 'perpetrator' should be given an opportunity to amend or answer their post. Otherwise, we're into the issue of a one-sided debate just as happened to me on another similar site to this where my post arguing contrarily to the Rec'ers saw my post summarily deleted. Fortunately, I'm glad to say this sensible site didn't feel the same to delete the same post (dated March 13th above) that the other site took offence to where they prefer to manipulate one side of the issue to predominate in print. By-the-by, as a local amateur archivist, I have ongoing digital photo records going back years covering local cemeteries and other areas of South London collected during countless walks. 'Dumping' in the cemeteries going back years was contentiously observable in my record. E.g. Camberwell Old Cemetery (one of the dumping sites) sees in my pictures an obvious example which has, all too late, now been 'noticed'. 'Dumping' in Nunhead is another tricky one. I contended years ago that the open sector near where Moslem burials are rightfully enabled may have been mis-overlaid upon Christian burials plots. Although, this was, oddly, denied by 'certain authorities connected to that cemetery' when observable evidence was (and as far as I am concerned) remains clear. In any case, it was for all to see that 'builders rubble' or inappropriate infill had been used to overlay said area that subsequently had a further thin overlay of 'purer earth' spread to mask bits of brick, electric wiring and other out-of-place cemetery ground covering.

But, don't you see..? I apologise if I came across 'disrespectful'... Cremations (a perfectly respectable way to see ourselves off when our time is due) will allow green space to be preserved that would, otherwise, be used for burials? This is what the controversy is about over the so-called Honor Oak Rec and/or Overspill Burial Site for Camberwell New Cemetery. We can't have it both ways. 'Ground' is required for ongoing interment. Where is that 'ground' to come from if not from existing 'green space'? I, for one, am happy to be cremated if it preserves a playing field that has been commandeered by locals over the years that thought it was free for the taking. If cremation was good enough for my foster mother (RIP) it is good enough for me.

Of course, the answer to satisfy everyone is for no more burials. Instead, cremations should be put into law. One wonders how many who have signed for and wish the Rec to be retained will be content to be cremated when their time comes?