Nicholas Spears

You're so right Zebedee. These faux-working class supporters of Iceland seem to think that anyone who shops there is some sort of working class hero, rather than consumers paying a massive company for low quality food. A new version of Pulp's Common People springs to mind: 'I wanna shop like common people...'

To help me avoid causing offence in potential future posts, can you give me some guidance on how to accurately diagnose a mental health or personality disorder on the basis of 20 minutes awkward conversation with a hyperactive intruder in the back garden? Am sure you'll be able to help rgutsell, as you seem able to diagnose someone after just reading a post on the forum...

While we're waiting for Bob to come back Undisputed truth, why don't you give us the facts about the following statement - not your guesses or reckons: 'I have more respect for Iceland shoppers than M&S as they're not influenced by huge advertising budgets.' Because I reckon, and indeed guess, that you have reckoned or guessed that Iceland shoppers are not influenced by huge advertising budgets - not least because you hardly ever watch TV so were unaware of the fact that Iceland pays for massive advertising campaigns on prime time TV with well known faces. But maybe you've done extensive research into Iceland shoppers, and know for a fact they are not influenced by those adverts you've never heard of. Actually, that must be the case - because if it wasn't you'd hardly attack others for not providing solid facts would you?

I thought the thread was entitled 'Friendly North Cross Road chip shop man' rather than 'Great chips on North Cross Road'. And call me controversial, but I don't always find a desire to spread global jewish conspiracy theories conducive to friendship. Particularly if you're jewish. Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nicholas Spears Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I have always found him a friendly bloke - but > I > > stopped visiting quite so often after hearing > his > > claims that Kurdistan is the new Israel and > that > > Jews are buying up Istanbul as part of some > grand > > conspiracy > > Does this affect the chips then?

I have always found him a friendly bloke - but I stopped visiting quite so often after hearing his claims that Kurdistan is the new Israel and that Jews are buying up Istanbul as part of some grand conspiracy

I have absolutely no idea. But they were doing it long before this forum discussed it - so were clearly not motivated by coverage on the forum.

Fox; the mystery bottle-leaver was leaving the bottles for a long time before any thread appeared. You claim that they are purely doing it because of the attention they get on the forum. But since they were happily doing it without any attention on the forum, it seems unlikely they would stop if the forum stopped discussing it.

I Guarantee that someone is enjoying this attention by reading these comments and that if people stop posting or the thread is Closed/Deleted.. the problem will stop. Fox.. ...but the bottles had been appearing there long before this thread started. So your theory is unlikely to be right.

DJKillaQueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> There used to a time when we had manual and > unskilled jobs in abundance......provided for by > industry with in house training and > apprenticeships. Now we expect every person to > have a fistfull of GSCE's just to work in > McDonalds. A person even needs accreditation to be > a labourer on a building site. This is > disenfranchising exactly the kind of people who > would have been served by un and semi-skilled > industry previously. Those people are never going > to find employment in creative industries run by > middle class small business holders. > > The jobs market has changed, as we have lost > industry to other parts of the world and filled > our own labour markets with rules and regulations, > but the needs of the labour market haven't, > because people will always fall into different > groups and there will always be a need for those > kinds of jobs. 'There will always be a need for those kind of jobs'? I think you've got the job market the wrong way round. If particular jobs are no longer available, the people suitable for them can't go hankering after them. They need to be encouraged to do something else instead, that people will happily pay them for. I'm sure highly skilled flint chisellers all lost their mammoth meat wages at the end of the stone age, when bronze and iron arrived, but it would have been madness to keep providing flint chiselling employment for those craftsmen, just because they 'had a need for those kinds of jobs'.

Out of interest, I think it's illegal to offer a reward for return of goods 'no questions asked'. It's supposed to encourage criminality.

I'm just mystified why you would anonymise him when his name has already been widely broadcast - unless you couldn't remember of course, which is a possibility I should have considered.

Aren't we taking 'respect for privacy' a little too far if the relatives of a man who died in a public place name him to millions in a newspaper...yet he is carefully referred to as 'Mr X' on a forum read by a few thousand? it's a bit like the closing down of discussion on another thread, where it emerged that, apparently, a man had hanged himself in Sydenham wood. There, all discussion stopped after a posting that we should 'respect this persons privacy and allow the police to do their job'. If someone has hanged themselves in a public wood where I take my children, I'd like to know about it. If we take this too far everyone will be anonymous, no deaths will be spoken about, and we won't be able to pin anything down. *No-one's privacy has been disrespected in the production of this posting

Those concerned about learning something earlier than the council wants them to can relax...you can now read the full CPZ consultation document without breaking the embargo, as it's been officially published online. Frankly, the leaked summary was all I needed. The full report is full of flam that tries to conceal the clear fact that a majority of those surveyed were against it. But here it is: http://moderngov.southwarksites.com/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=25008&ISATT=1&bcsi_scan_6BDE16B5925DEBDF=bsVQNVUpm9OZIYogZOdgZGjO/SsKAAAA/elzIg==&bcsi_scan_filename=mgConvert2PDF.aspx

I assume if it has been stolen it will be melted down and sold for a few quid as unrecognisable scrap metal. Am hoping it's been rather clumsily removed for renovation, though a simple call to Southwark council could sort that out.

Since most of the allegations made are first hand, they are not hearsay. It's not a kangaroo court either, because no one is suggesting any sanctions. And if the allegations are true, they are not defamatory. If they're untrue, she has an open and shut legal case - particularly serious because her professional competence has been criticised, potentially affecting her livelihood - which she should be able to bring on a no win no fee basis. The fact that she has not been named, and her critics do not give their full names, is no bar to a case because she is identifiable to some people. And clearly she will easily be able to identify her accuser/s. Given that she can straightforwardly access legal redress, and that the forum welcomes praise for good traders, it seems only fair that justified criticism should be welcomed too. Prolific poster DJKillaQueen could always make a post in response of course that makes her perspective clear.

where are these leaflets being given out and when's the collection FatherJack? I know someome at Clothes Aid, who are working to stop this sort of abuse, and would like to tell them about it.

The police have often suggested many of the people involved in these cashpoint crimes are Romanian...from a Guardian report some years ago 'Police say many of those targeting ATMs in this way are Romanian criminal gangs' http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2004/nov/11/creditcards.crime?INTCMP=SRCH

Thanks James - signs are a good idea. With a limited number of cubicles, the only way to maximise use of them is for people purely to use them for changing, not for storing stuff while expecting other people to keep out. It's obvious to most of us. But a sign saying 'Do not leave clothes in unoccupied cubicles' might be an idea

I like the new pool but can't stand the way people hog the limited number of changing cubicles by leaving clothes in them. I was there the other day in the family changing room when ALL the cubicles were empty of people but had clothes in. Someone used one regardless, and the woman who had left clothes there while she went elseswhere went mad, banging on the door and shouting. She seemed to to think you can reserve the cubicles just like people 'save' sun loungers on holiday by leaving towels on them. Can't the management stop people doing this?

Bobbly: If you said what pub we were meeting in, I probably would recognise you. Likewise if I saw you on Melbourne Grove And bodsier: Are you seriously suggesting that the victims of crime should keep their descriptions of their assailants a secret between them and the police, on the offchance that someone might be wrongly suspected of the crime? Aren't you more concerned about the safety of other innocents walking down Melbourne Grove, who might like to know of local dangers? Still, if anyone has information about anyone beaten to death in police custody as a result of a description on the East Dulwich Forum mentioning colour, do tell all. Three examples would be good. Or how about one?

At last this is getting back on topic thanks to traveller1. But why does murphy suggest he has no right to discuss it in public? Surely it's a state school, and we've all got an interest in it being run well? Suggestions he should go to the LEA don't wash when they might launch an over-the-top inquiry into the complainant. And take a look at the Goodrich school website. The governors of the school publish their minutes on it, minutes where just this sort of criticism could be found if brought up at meetings. At least, they used to publish their minutes, apparently till frozen with embarrassment that this might come out...

If Dully and LadyLibra are right in suggesting that any reference to a crowd with makeshift weapsons implies a racist lynch mob, the Met Police/Southwark council racism-cold-case-review-team are going to be busy. Before this thread started the East Dulwich Forum had carried 37 references to 'pitchforks' in relation to public anger. Surely the numerous posters can't all be racists? Or is it evidence to back up LadyLibra's surprising suggestion that Goodrich school is riddled with BNP and KKK members?

There's more in the Mail about Goodrich today - this time Richard Littlejohn saying Shirley Patterson's not fit to be head... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1380514/Thanks-laughter-John-See-ya-Dave.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

anyone know if it did happen when police in pursuit? if so that would help explain the long-term closure, as a police inquiry would have to take place to see if they were at fault...