DinkyToy

This is the result of no disipline in schools. This is the result of no disipline in the home. This is the result of the revolving door policy of the courts. This is the result of the "punishment" of 5 pounds a week taken from benefits for breaking into your house. This is the result of no prison places. This is the result of policing powers being removed. This is the result of 30 year's worth of progressive crap where "it is not their fault." You have broken my country. And I hate you for it.

Apparnetly, like, the football is ca ncelled because Tiiarra and Stabby took some clothes. YOU JUST DONT LISTEN TO USSSSSS!!!1111!!!

The time is 02:23 am. Sky News is reporting news roundup from riots in Manchester and other events in the UK. The BBC had a 10 minute weather outlook and then passed over to the Asian Market Outlook. Bugger the country! FFS. Edit - 02.23 not 02.53 - fat finger syndrome, sorry. The point still stands. 02:54 - beach vollyball. Vital in the current situation.

And again, most people in round 2 won't give care about Duggan. Bear in mind, though, that round 1 was meant to have been started by the family not getting answers quickly enough about the original incident, and look where we ended up. The family might well condone the violence, however there are alot more vested interests desperate for the Police to be seen to execute an "innocent man" and will kick it off again.

You know that and I know that. However, the "community" will see it as an execution, plain and simple.

The situation that does scare me is the hollow-point in the police vest, and the question of how it got there. If it is proved Duggen did not fire a weapon then all hell WILL break loose.

Armed soldiers - no. Soldiers with helmet, visor, sheild and baton - yes.

First off, it is NOT entirely unreasonable to call in the Army. Unless things have changed since my days, they are trained in crowd control, and can be used as first defense working aloneside and under the command of the Police. Pure numbers of men themselves can have a calming effect. Training for deployment to places like Iraq and Afghanistan nowadays includes crowd control elements, and training for deployment to NI contains loads. @Twinkaloo - yep. I'll be alongside you.

EMA? We have to pay these scum to go to education? Fees increase? Despite Blairs mad ideas - it's not a god given right to go to Uni. Employment? Maybe...however I have spoken with my Dad tonight. He's been unemployed for 3 years and yet can't quite see the justification to steal and burn other peoples property. He's strange like that. @WJFOX Lordship Lane is quiet at the moment. No trouble or damage at the northern end.

@Santerme and @Andican I've got 25 years of weapons experience including air rifle, shotgun, pistol, light and heavy machine gun, rifle AND non-lethal. I carried a non-lethal baton gun as well as my personal weapon for a total of 18 months, have fired one in anger and they can kill if you hit the target in the head or chest (or if you use a duracell battery instead of the plastic round - allegedly...). If you hit them in the stomach from about 35 to 40 metres then they WILL sit on their arse and not think about anything else for a while.

In that case apologies for any offence, if caused.

I rather thought that was the point you were trying to make by refering to that Guardian article.

LadyDeliah So, black-on-black gun crime is actually my fault, not theirs? Gang warfare is my fault, not theirs? Stop and search apparently used to target minorities disproportionatly. The fact that most muggings, knife crime and gun crime is carried out by minorities is entirely ignored. I work next to a similar aged black guy to myself - mid 30's single. He has a son from a previous relationship and I can guarentee he or his son are not out tonight on a family trip ripping flat screens from the window displays of Currys. This is not due to feelings of "having no stake in society." If you don't want to steal TV's, then don't. If you don't want to knife a person - then don't. It's called personal responsibility. This is feral children who have no fear.

12 years old? 13 -14 years old? This is the result of no fcking discipline in both the schools and the home. This is the result of adults being too scared to take a youngster to task for low level behaviour. We now a an entire generation who are simply no longer scared of authority of any sort. The next time one of the Loony Left suggests any sort of progressive moddy-coddling - think of this night. Lawlessness. Muggings. Fear. Fire. Homes and business owned and built over generations destroyed. I doubt I will be sleeping tonight. I will be spending the night defending my home, my neighbours and my street. With a fcking cricket bat. What will you do if it reaches your front door?

Anette Curtain, page 1 -: "...Personally & if it were legal, i'd gladly Taser anyone who did it near me."