SeanMacGabhann

I wrote exactly the same thing last week. Just can't remember where... But it's true

Oh goody it is true more here

If this isn't true, I really want it to be "In turn, the Independent newspaper ran a front pager yesterday with the headline ?Rupert Murdoch will not decide the outcome of the election. You will,? challenging the Murdoch coverage of the race. Later in the afternoon, in a coming-apart-at-the-seams scenario, Rebekah Wade/Brooks and Murdoch?s son, James?who will both face the wrath of Murdoch senior if they don?t produce a winner?stormed over to the Independent, breached its security systems, barged into the offices of the Independent?s editor-in-chief and top executive, Simon Kelner, and commenced, in Brit-speak, a giant row. Their point was that newspaper publishers don?t slag off other newspaper publishers in polite Britain, but also the point was to remind Kelner that he wasn?t just slagging off another publisher, he was slagging off the Murdochs, damn it. Indeed, the high point of the screaming match was Wade/Brooks, in a fit of apoplexy and high drama, neck muscles straining, saying to Kelner: ?And I invited you to Blenheim in the first place!?"

I'd swear this thread was in about this forum and not the lounge

Many if those 1700 views are people coming back to check the results i would have thought

erm - * cough * wasn't this about women and earthquakes or something??

Interesting post Hal On legal grounds it sounds like anyone parking on disable spaces can be guaranteed a fine even tho they have the necessary clearance - can't this be raised with the people providing the spaces?

Ah yes - life and the length thereof. Too short to back anything up nut long enough to throw accusations around and put the onus on others to defend the accused. And yet you did so based on "fact and logic" premise. Anyway - back on topic. the solution Hal is worried about is in no way any worse than the myriad other ways we VOLUNTARILY give up our location every day surely?

Sean isn't a boy. But he wishes the amount of pomade was the only reason this is so

Go on then. Pull up my posting history and debunk me

exactly my point. Bus fares go up by 30-50% regularly. Partly because of rising petrol costs. But there is less "outrage" I just wish, whatever you chosen mode of transport, people didn't get so het-up and victimised

True, but a minor side-point. The point is when people start a thread or ring in to complain about some "money grabbing" scheme an it's to do with transport, it tends to be a motorist, doesn't it? When petrol prices went up a few years back, it wasn't pedestrians or bus users who blockaded the motorways and petrol-stations, putting lives at risk. It was motorists, wasn't it? Am I wrong? I'm not against driving* or motorists, I'm against people crying "victim" when they ain't. * with the proviso that even disregarding petrol shortages, there isn't enough room on the streets for teh amount of cars now, much less ten years time. That's logic, not a rant at driving

Besides Steve, say what you like about those religions, some of them are WELL up for chopping off hands for a bit of the old stealing, just like you. Not all bad, eh ??

SteveT and quids - how has the obviously bonkers story at the start of the thread become some kind of "lefties agree with this sort of thing"

or is my response not logical loz? Another fact for you loz is that I am a driver. I tend not to in London and have given up my car, but as I've said many times I'm not anti-motorist. Or is that an inconvenient fact as well?

yes yes yes I know quids. I'm not trying to suggest they don't. But you don't get nearly so much radio phone in angst from the public-transport-using perspective (regardless of how the split between modes breaks down) Between road tax, petrol, and the other involuntary costs, driving is expensive. Add in the voluntary (ish) costs of numerous speeding and parking fines and it becomes more so Similarly, public-transport is expensive - involuntary costs of season ticket increases, tracking via oyster etc. Then there are the fines from jumping barriers and risking the bendy bus not being inspected So however an average person mixes their transport modes up, it costs. I get it. I just don't get why the motoring side bleats so much.

Yes Steve, THAT'S why people in this country speed - the phasing of traffic lights. Give me strength. Even if your allegation were true, have you driven in other world class cities lately? One with over 6 million people? Have you seen the traffic problems there? As for invasions of privacy, these aren't recording your conversations or x-raying through your clothes. You give away more personal information every single day just by using your oyster card, your credit card and carrying around a device which tells to within yards exactly where your location is. And yet I don't read threads from anyone complaining about the SCANDAL of satellite tracking in mobile phones What is WITH drivers and the constant persecution-complex? Always moaning about being fleeced and yet never use public transport - in part because it's too f**ing expensive. Moaning bunch of beeatches

Presume you mean east dulwich grove not road? Yeah every spring and summer they give it large. I agree with sue, I love it

loz - just for clarity, I am AGAINST Labour's plans on this issue. I just think the opposition are as keen to implement the same policies but can score more points by opposing it. And yes the media and electorate will give them a rough time but see also Labour's "ethical foreign policy" pre: Iraq

Actually the more I think about it the charge that I'm saying "nothing will ever change" pisses me off. Lazy argument

I have neither defended the status quo. NOR said "nothing will change". Plenty will change should any other party get elected BUT I can want this Labour party out at this election AND at the same time say that their opponents (not talking about Porter here) are making cheap points whilst not in power Basically I'm saying I wouldn't kick them out for THIS reason

You might have something there Louisa, but it would be a shaky position to defend his actions. If a NEW business opened up and behaved the way he does, you lifetimers would be within your rights to have a pop. And you would

Louisa, you are adopting a postion against "newbies" without any attention to what they are saying eater81 - you piss people off all the time - you don't need a parking space outside a shop to do it 4 times over the last few years I've tried to buy basic hifi stuff from that shop - everytime he looked at me like someone trying to rent a property in a fish shop You want to defend something like that, go ahead

One can agree with all the points Porter makes - but if you think any elected party isn't going down the same road, you are deluded.

It can only be "on offer" if it exists. It can't exist without "big government" By your logic, business would be compelled to go to countries with big government and the incentives to match You examples of what governments should involve themselves with and what they shouldn't is arbitrary to the point of ... something Swathes of employment legislation? What's wrong with that, as a concept? Sure you can point to bad legislation but given where we were before govts involved themselves in legislation (children up chimneys, 7 day weeks, few holidays, no minimum wage etc etc) I'm all for it Without the last 13 years of government, come day of reckoning (sep 2 years ago - lehman bros et al), this country would be DEAD in the water It goes on. Soundbites such as "simplify law and order legislation" sounds wonderful. But what does it MEAN? Nothing that I can see - I'm pretty sure you could provide examples but you don't have to follow any of them through. Given teh diverse nations of the planet however, I'm open to examples of countries with simplified examples? get rid of ID card schemes? I'm all for it.. but it won't happen no matter who gets elected and what they promise. It's coming. You may as well ask for a return to pounds, shillings and pence You mention health needing "funding not managing" - that sounds like the dream of every individual, every business and every conman in the world