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Katanita, You are not alone. Having paid ?25 for the new garden waste service, I have yet to hear anything that makes sense about delivery of brown bin and sticker. James Barber posted that they will take 60 days to arrive. Surely this is not true? James ( McAsh) Is there any clarity on when the bins and sticker will be delivered and until then what happens to garden waste collection for those, like me, who have paid up for the service?

Good points Nigello although I hope that we do not go the way of other boroughs in terms of the volume of events in future (no pun intended). Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I didn't hear a thing, though I did last year, so > that is a success. Having that section of the park > sectioned off for a weekend would be ok, but it is > not a weekend - it is at least a week. Money is > needed for services and people like music, all I > ask is that optimum results be achieved for those > who go to the concert, those who use the park and > those who live nearby. (There will likely be some > overlap so it is not a zero-sum game.) It needn't > be an exercise is umbrage and antagonism. > The panelling was tagged almost within a day of > its being put up, which was ugly and, well, > expected. It doesn't mean though that it should be > accepted. > Turn the volume down just ten or fifteen percent > and it is likely that the music will sound better > and people living nearby will be more accepting. > Let the council be explicit in how much money it > raises and where it actually goes, publish that on > forums like this and in the local press.

I think that's the concern Louisa, that we face creeping privatisation of our public spaces. And, thus far, money made by the council does not go towards upkeep of the park but to fund more events, albeit free for now.

Food for thought: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/aug/31/londons-parks-accused-of-creeping-privatisation-of-public-spaces

Pretty outrageous. I have been using bags but signed up for a brown bin and stickers. So, does this mean that I will get a supply of free brown bags and these will be collected in the usual way until such time as the bin and sticker appears? How can the council charge and take payment for a system that is not yet up and runnng?

Rather like your hyperbole about uptight, over- entitled nimbys. pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > first mate Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Pk, let us agree to differ; you think residents > > who found the sound levels uncomfortable should > be > > ignored, I think > > some sort of compromise should be explored for > > next year. > > Or to put it another way: > > I think is that talk of forcing people out of > their homes at great expense, suggestions that > people are trying to tell people who know what > circles are that they?re squares and that people > are being subjected to torturous noise abuse is > over the top and takes away from any sensible > message > > You think it?s useful commentary, apparently > > But agree, let?s agree to differ

Pk, let us agree to differ; you think residents who found the sound levels uncomfortable should be ignored, I think some sort of compromise should be explored for next year.

Well, however you wish to frame it the point has been made and it will be up to the council and organisers to address or ignore it next year.

Sorry pk, it is minor in your view. You are choosing to disregard the views of those who does not find the impact minor. Clearly you have no inclination to take any other view seriously or to find a compromise. I would add, that at a large scale event, like a music festival the majority will naturally live further away, if not in a different borough, and clearly will 'suffer' minimal impact. Those closer to hand who decide to attend obviously do not have a problem with noise levels as they have made a choice to participate. That leaves a proportion of residents living near by who do find the noise levels too great. It is hoped that at future events a way can be found to protect their interests too.

Pk you think it's fine, others don't. It's not as though there is a call for the event to be terminated. Instead, some are asking for the volumes to be reduced or the noise better controlled. I fail to see why this should be something you could not support. Again, it is well known that being subjected to high volumes of unwanted noise is torturous and I do not believe we should so readily dismiss the fact that some residents found the noise levels way too high.

Pk, yes I do think the views of those living close to an event should be taken into consideration at least as much as those who don't, and if a proportion living close by felt the noise was loud to the point of unbearable there should be greater efforts made to reduce it next year. Some seem to feel it was louder than last year. As for the 'over-entitled'... well pots and kettles and all that. Pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > first mate Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Residents living close by have no choice in the > matter, > > unless of course you feel that in order for you > to > > have a good time they should be forced to > vacate > > their properties for the whole of the bank > holiday > > and pay up to stay somewhere else? > > > > > you really think that people who choose to live > near a park should then get to choose what goes on > in the park? > > and that people were 'forced' to vacate their > homes for the whole weekend? > > sounds like uptight, over-entitled nimbyism to me > > i know that none of the many friends and family of > mine who live nearby felt forced to leave, whether > they attended the event or not!

The event had no impact on me but I think you should be a little more understanding of the major, negative effects unwelcome, high level noise can have, especially bass noise. Residents living close by have no choice in the matter, unless of course you feel that in order for you to have a good time they should be forced to vacate their properties for the whole of the bank holiday and pay up to stay somewhere else? The organisers have to come up with a way to protect residents from excessive noise and perhaps those attending should accept they cannot expect club volumes at an outdoor event, at least not at this one. Humdinger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Went yesterday and saw a diverse spectrum of South > East London coming together and having a great > time. > > No attitude, trouble or bad vibes. Events like > this should be embraced and supported, i actually > feel sorry for people who disagree on the basis > that there was a bit of noise coming from a music > festival. Get over it!

malleymoo, I love music but feel sorry for residents who have had to endure what might be termed noise pollution to the extent that some have been forced to leave their homes for the duration. I think it is one of those cases where the council and its supporters are so convinced they are 'right' that they try to persuade us square is round.

That's fine so long as there are real benefits to locals and to the long term future of the park, given that no profits from the event are ploughed back into the upkeep of the park,nothere than to allegedly repair damage from the event, which strikes me as bizarre. Let's also see what the state of the park is like after the event this year, given the damage that was done last year. The park is a place where locals go to enjoy nature and, often, a bit of peace, alongside community sports and leisure activities, largely free of charge. Any money made from these festival events, apart from lining the pockets of private companies, will be going towards mounting similar events in future, sounding like it is intended to privatise this public space more and more frequently. The occasional festival, open to locals and benefitting tbe park is fine but the park is not a space for festivals and increasing private use. There are also many local venues where music can be showcased to those willing to pay.

This also occurred to me!

Ask Cllr Renata Hamvas

Cllr Renata Hamvas will be able to answer all these questions.

The site is adjacent to the Japanese garden and pavilion which many people use for quiet time. Mini golf may, as you say, be reasonably quiet- I guess I keep thinking crazy golf. There is also the matter of aesthetics, as per Ed Oldies post.

I didn't say it annoyed me I was making the point that while some people, quite rightly, will want to use the park for activities, some of which are noisy, others may want to visit the park to enjoy some quiet and 'commune' with nature. The hope is that both needs can be met.

A message from Southwark Cyclists google group to Cllr Richard Livingstone: "Dear Richard cc Charlie Smith, Victoria Olisa, James McCash. We have seen the backlash against the controlled parking zone in East Dulwich area and wanted to express our support and hope that you will stand firm on the implementation." It should be noted that SC are pushing for all day CPZ in as large an area as possible.

A message from Southwark Cyclists google group to Cllr Richard Livingstone: "Dear Richard cc Charlie Smith, Victoria Olisa, James McCash. We have seen the backlash against the controlled parking zone in East Dulwich area and wanted to express our support and hope that you will stand firm on the implementation."

>This is purely anecdotal and was not a factor in determining whether there should be a CPZ around the station. That decision was based on the consultation responses. Best wishes James< Hi James, In terms of your chats with residents at the Heber Road end of ED, you say the vast majority accept the need for CPZ around the station but surely many will have expressed a preference to you for just a few hours to deter communter parking, instead of an all day CPZ? It is clear that the highly influential organisation Southwark Cyclists are pressing for all day CPZ in as many places as possible, although the majority of ED residents participating in the consultation probably prefer just a few hours to deter commuters. Which option do you support?

>The vast majority of people who I've spoken to at the Heber Road end of East Dulwich accept that if people living around the station want controlled parking then they should get it, so long as they do not have to have it on their street too!> James, And is it the wish of the vast majority of people at the Heber Road end of ED to support an all day CPZ in the area around the station or just a few hours? It is interesting that in terms of pro arguments you are suddenly able to look at majority views across various streets instead of on a street by street basis.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They did privatise the house in the Southwest > corner of the park though, so there is precedent. I suspect small-scale measures, whether the music festival, park car parking, mini golf- all begin to create precedents for privatisation. What is initially intermittent use is slowly increased until the balance is tipped and then you have serious precedent.

I think a lot of us feel the same Penguin and there was lengthy discussion about this when Harris Boy's was first built and James Barber was Cllr. I was just wondering if Lee had more concrete information or some sort of inside knowledge? Use of land to promote community health for all is one thing, privatising and limiting public access for profit- as per the imminent music festival- another.