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Louise wrote: According to the planning application, the new Superdrug store will also contain a ?The Perfume Shop? counter, which is absolutely brilliant news. Lots of quality fragrances, at knock down prices. If true, I hope this does not affect Rouiller White's perfume parlour. An independent will never compete with a chain on prices. That said, the hope is there is room for both.

Could this mean that objections must be qualified instead of being a straight 'no'? I'd be interested to know why Cllr Livingstone prefers the word 'outweigh' to 'majority'

Thank you for that post which describes the likely reality of CPZ. Have you noticed an increase in cycling by the way?

Do we actually know what proportion of parents within the ED area that drive their kids to school on a regular basis, or is the evidence largely anecdotal?

Very well put Penguin. Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > you believe that there should be absolutely no > measures to control car use in residential areas? > - I didn't say that at all. The 20mph restriction, > ULEZ, pressures to move towards electric, hybrid > and hydrogen powered vehicles all contribute to > either safety or air quality. However removing > parking spaces and hence potentially increasing > (albeit illegal) speeds may actually add to > dangers. Just as an example. > > Road closures such as this simply displace traffic > to other roads, often thereby actually increasing > traffic of those roads and increasing pollution > and possibly decreasing road safety on those > roads. Fine for those living in the newly > 'protected' roads, not so for others. > > So my plea for all roads which are actually > passable to be used is all about spreading > discomfort which may actually decrease 'per > household' dangers and pollution. Of course you > can plot to make your household particularly safe > and pollution free, but only at the expense of > others. I'm more in favour of 'equal pain' than > 'my gain'.

I agree with the way you qualify your examples of non-essential journeys with a 'might' because some of those very same journeys might also be essential for a proportion of the population.

I find the 'environment-saving' car park charges slightly at odds with Council moves to hire the park out for private events, which arguably damage sections of the park and wildlife. I also wonder about pollution measurements at those events? All those large vehicles. One also senses that those with needs that don't fit into the council and its supporters agenda are viewed as necessary collateral damage.

While some local parks are being hired out for private use Https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/aug/31/londons-parks-accused-of-creeping-privatisation-of-public-spaces I wonder how the parks parking will be 'policed'? By phone ticket machines...? Will there be private wardens on patrol? The parks now have PSPOs in place. These could easily be extended to cover other areas that could also become revenue raising opportunities.

Given how difficult it is to get a Blue Badge I imagine this will leave numbers of people with mobility issues now having to pay for the privilege of using the park. People should not be hoodwinked into thinking that because Blue Badge holders are exempt that the needs of the infirm and disabled are covered.

Anyway, to get the thread back on track, residents have until September 30th to comment either in favour or against. For now, it does seem the case that this experiment is having a negative effect on traffic levels in East Dulwich, at least that is what some residents are reporting.

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That's a lot of cyclists who feel it necessary to drive a car at some point and one would imagine a fair proportion are also car owners- I haven't looked at the figures, so don't know sample size etc...

Interesting that 85% of those who cycle feel the need to own a car.

And then people will want CPZ in your street and so it goes on. S'wark knew the only way they could shoehorn in this revenue raising measure was by going street by street and creating a domino effect and then piling on as many additional pressures as they could devise (unnecessary mass double yellow lines, closing off streets etc..).

Hi James, Just to be clear, by area do you mean the area in total respresented by you as a councillor or do you mean a majority positive response street by street, so that some streets are CPZ and others not? If the latter, are 'positive responses' counted per property or per person? jamesmcash Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dear all > > I am back from my holiday! > > 1) All responses to the consultation are > considered. However, I have made a commitment - > backed by the Leader of the Council - that the > scheme will only be implemented in an area if the > majority of residents living there respond to the > consultation positively. > > 2) I do not know what the cost will be to > implement the scheme. It will clearly depend on > the size of the area of coverage, along with a > number of other variables which are subject to the > consultation. The revenue from parking permits is > intended to cover the costs though. > > 3) The CPZ consultation will have cost nowhere > near ?2.5m. I do not know the exact figure for > this consultation but in the past they have been > around ?20,000 - so less than 1% of the figure you > heard! > > 4) I doubt that the Council put any money into > Dulwich Hamlet FC but I can check to make sure. > > 5) Still looking into the Quietway, which predates > me. ArtfulDogger, can you email me directly with a > specific set of queries you want me to answer? > > Best wishes > James

Penguin68 I do sympathise with eveything you say and to those that harp on about pollution and health as the raison d'etre for all this (with good reason I might add) they need to be absolutely crystal clear S'warks current clutch of measures will have a significant positive impact in this respect, because the rate of change is also going to cause a lot of stress to many, and stress is also a killer. I also hope we are not handed out advice along the lines that unless we can live and operate purely locally we should all move and live elsewhere.

If you have serious caring responsibilities for relatives living outside of town you need a car. Public transport is not reliable enough for emergencies, nor are zip cars. Cycling obviously a non- starter. This is a reality of modern life where we no longer live in communities made up of extended families. Agree with cycling for short journeys when possible but that option is limited in many ways. Rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > James Barber Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > We have to get more people walking and cycling > and > > not driving. Numerous reasons for this including > - > > global warming, child obesity, health, > economics, > > reducing oil dependence...We have a climate > change > > crisis and should be acting accordingly. > > Walking and cycling are not always alternatives to > driving (you probably wouldn't walk to Brighton > for example) and many people would not want to > cycle with their kids to into central London. I'm > all in favour of getting people to walk and cycle > more, but there need to be real alternatives to > the car, ideally frequent, fast, reliable public > transport. > > Southwark put a lot of effort into making driving > more expensive, slower and less convenient. But > this just make peoples lives more difficult, it > rarely moves them out of their cars. This cannot > be the only lever you pull.

A beautiful Jay has been visiting my garden. I understand they are not good news for fledglings but gorgeous plumage.

Indeed, as in Chaucer's The Parliament of Fowls! Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Asset Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > . They like to > > plot under piles of damp leaves. > > > Plot :))

My hunch would be that if you approached the Council with a request to close your street they would probably launch a consultation or even a trial. mikeb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I met a lost and very polite white van driver > coming down Green Dale yesterday morning as he > tried to find a way to get out of the Champion > Hill maze. > > Is it right that Champion Hill is now a dead end > if entered from Dog Kennel Hill? I don?t think > the signs make that clear. > > This is nimbyism at its finest. When can I have my > street turned into a private road that only > residents can drive along?

I am sure you will disagree but I do not view this measure as discrete from all the other traffic management issues currently underway. By closing off certain roads you can increase the volume of traffic on others. A proportion of road users will be en route but others will be travelling with a view to parking somewhere. Increasing the demand for parking on roads or in areas where there was not an issue before. This along with all the other measures arguably increases the likelihood of demand for CPZ. In short having failed before S'wark want the job done this time and are throwing everything they have to ensuring the outcome they want.

In my experience applicants are put through the most incredble hoops to get a BB, rather like PIP assessment.

Quite machiavellian to create shorter term problems and pollution as a necessary step towards improving health. The thing is, many do not believe health is the primary motivation, revenue is. There lies the rub. One might argue the means to the end is enough to cast doubt.

Yes, I have seriously considered these but then I also wonder about how safe to leave such things when one needs to! I do feel that feeling safe is a consideration, especially cycling at night.

PeterW, I think you make good points however as someone who does cycle part of the time I would say that the geography of ED is problematic in that we have two very steep hills either side. This is something of a block for those less physically able and needing to get to work. Even more so if you have to carry equipment around for your work. A flat Dutch landscape of the type I cycled in my youth makes a huge difference. All that said you also referred to people less likely to walk and cycle when roads feel so perilous and feral and I agree but would observe this is not just about lunatic drivers but a sense of feeling safe in general. Walking or even cycling in the dark can feel unsafe full stop and this is an aspect that is not really being addressed, I feel.