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Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
I believe the council rationale was that streets your side would not be affected if CPZ is installed on Melbourne Grove and streets off it. For that reason they have not let streets your side know. However, they have likely alerted the various pro CPZ pressure groups, whose advocates may not live even close by. We also know that people living as much as a mile away are responding and, presumably, those responses will impact the final result. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
I asked this question on another thread by mistake, so it got lost. Can anyone explain how CPZ results are collated and interpreted so the council is clear how each street in the consultation area has responded? One of the mandatory questions asks if you want CPZ in your street, however only the streets in the consultation area are named? How do respondents living well outside the consultation area answer that question? If that question is not answered the response is discounted. -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
I hope things are as you say. If impacts limited then all well and good. Fingers crossed it continues. Yes, you are right, sorry about that. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
I am pretty sure about the paid for spaces at the end of each street off LL and that they were presenting parking on on LL as a way to support businesses. Either way, it just struck me as odd that with so many against shoppers in cars that a case for CPZ was in part being made on the need to support hem. -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
I apologise and withdraw my comment. I am a cyclist so absolutely no problem with that either. We can all agree the crossing is very necessary; just wish it could be done more quickly as it will create a lot of problems. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
Think I read it in a leaflet. I cannot remember exactly because written information pushed through doors was different from what was online. -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
Absolutely, I am sure you are. Can you just help me understand how the consultation answers work if you respond to the question about whether you want CPZ on your street in the consultation area? How does that work if you don't live in the consultation area? Sorry Mal, you may not know, but in terms of collating the responses and data I wonder how this info is sifted so they know what consultees living in each street within the consultation area want? It is an important and relevant question because, even recently, a poster on here was advised that no street would be made CPZ if the street did not want it. Can anyone advise? -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
Ah, I did not know that. A glance at the LCC and Southwark Cyclist website shows how very invested they are getting in on consultations all over the borough. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
They also want to install 'metered' parking at the end of every side street. What you'll get is more congestion and more driving round waiting for spaces. I genuinely do not think this is the positive move it has been presented as. Quite apart from that, it is a large chunk of money every year on a permit, then any visitors / necessary building and maintenance work on top, and by all accounts still no guarantee you will necessarily be able to park when you need to. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
I agree what the council are proposing makes no sense. If CPZ makes it harder to park on side streets surely providing more spaces on the Lane will increase existing problems with congestion etc.? It is not just about shoppers either.Many in the local workforce drive in and park on side streets. It may not be that easy for them to use public transport or cycle, though I expect all the usual rhetoric about laziness etc.. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
It is also the council that have made a case for CPZ citing the need to balance resident parking needs against those of visiting shoppers in cars, so it is the council that is making the case for visitors in cars and not only that, they also point out that they are supporting business on LL by letting cars park in the high street. Please show where I have led with the claim that "CPZ will destroy the high street". You posted a leaflet and said you were talking about that. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
That is because more traffic has been funnelled onto Lordship Lane after imposition of the Melbourne Grove LTN. What surprises me and ought to surprise you is that it seems the council are happy to see congestion on LL get even worse, by encouraging shoppers to park there. It just seems so contradictory. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
It happens already, it has always happened, and I am fine with it. It just means sometimes we cannot park outside the house and occasionally have to park on another street. There is no need for a CPZ. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
@Malumbu So you live well out of area but say you participated in the consultation. What I do not understand is when you answered the question about whether you want CPZ on your street, how did you answer? This is to help me understand how it works, because your street is not within the consultation area? BTW it is Melbourne Grove, not road. -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
Where did I say Southwark or TFL hate drivers? Unintended consequences of necessary interventions can still be useful in meeting an agenda, can't they? Are you denying that there is a use of nudge tactics to get drivers out of cars? 13 weeks seems a very long time to implement a crossing on a major route. -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
Do you believe the council and TFL do not work closely on such matters? There is also a difference between deliberately extending work and just not going the extra mile to reduce it. This will cause a lot of disruption and 13 weeks to build a crossing feels excessive. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
Thanks for drawing attention to that campaign Earl. I hope residents will get involved. I imagine local businesses are best placed to know the threats or challenges local CPZ might place on them. I know a number of local businesses are very worried and galvanising support. What do you think about the council encouraging visitors in cars to park on the high street? Aren't you one of those that gets upset about the impact of parked cars on the high street on cyclists and buses? Do you agree with what the council are doing in this respect? -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
Nope Earl. You, me and everyone else here know that Rockets was talking about the length of time to do the work, not the work itself. At 13 weeks, the length of time to complete the work is the potential nudge tactic under discussion not the crossing itself. As you also know, Rockets has very clearly stated support for the crossing, saying it is necessary. 13 weeks may be standard for a crossing of this type to be created, it just seems a painfully long time on a major route like this and you cannot help but think it might be completed more quickly. -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
No one has argued the crossing is a ruse to cause disruption, simply that not much effort seems to have been made to minimise disruption, in that 13 weeks to put in a crossing does seem quite lengthy, given the position of the crossing on a major route. However, not one poster has argued, as you are suggesting, that the crossing is unnecessary or only there to make the life of drivers difficult. That interpretation is all yours. To my surprise though, Malumbu has applauded Southwark for putting in a cycle lane in order to control traffic. I had not realised a cycle lane could be put in for this purpose. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
But, for someone who has no strong feelings you are focused on just one aspect and repeat it to seem like it is the main and only point . What about the fact that there is not sufficient parking pressure to warrant a CPZ? What do you say about that and why then is the council so very keen to make it happen? Why is the council suddenly so keen to facilitate shoppers in cars when the reason for the first CPZ was to deter this? Only recently, a pro CPZ/LTN activist posted criticism of shoppers in cars in ED. Do you agree that a major reason to impose unnecessary CPZ on ED is because zones much closer to central London have them, even though they benefit from vastly superior transport links? The messaging is muddled and inconsistent. What do you think about the consultation wording and design? -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
Businesses on LL have set out reasons why this could be an issue for them. If you live in the area you will surely be aware of these. I would add that I do not personally think CPZ will lead to the complete collapse of the Lane but it could make life very difficult for some of the independents and I would hate to lose those. Long term, if businesses fold there will always be others to step in, the chains in particular. But part of EDs charm lies in its independent shops. Aside from that, currently parking pressure is not enough to warrant a CPZ and parking pressure is the only legal reason to impose one. I do have a problem with cycling activists that live outside the area taking it upon themselves to try to impose CPZ on others for ideological reasons. -
Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation
first mate replied to first mate's topic in Roads & Transport
I suspect you are wrong. -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
The fact that people continue to post about these matters should tell you something as well. As a cycling activist, it is understandable you wish it would all just disappear, leaving you with a version of the world you prefer and that suits you best. It is just that many do not share your perspective. As for conspiracy theories, well Malumbu has just pointed out that a cycle lane was installed on Sydenham Hill to control driving speeds. Is this a new thing? -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
That's a good reminder that I do not think I have ever seen anyone ever cycle up or down that hill. Obviously they must do but pretty infrequently, so yes, the cycle lane must have been put in for other reasons...It shows that use /misuse of road management powers to deter drivers cannot just be dismissed as conspiracy theory. Thanks Malumbu for helping to make that point. -
South Circular roadworks - excessive disruption
first mate replied to Penguin68's topic in Roads & Transport
The fact that despite everything, people still get into their cars is telling you something.
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