Purplejellybee

Irrelevant for overall journey time for individual drivers. Not irrelevant for overall safety on the streets. Lower speed limits don't cause selfish, impatient or dangerous driving, but can make those more obvious.

20mph MAX speed in an area with traffic lights, junctions, turnings and people makes sense to me - should mean smoother traffic flow, easier movements, less congestion. Many of us put our foot down through a clear stretch just to sit in frustration at the long queue at the lights ahead. But maximum speed isn't the same as average speed. And however brilliant a driver you are, if someone or something jumps out in front of you, the speed you are going will affect the outcome. 20mph MAX in a built up area doesn't compare to cruising on the motorway at x or y mph (do people really think they drive at constant speed on journeys in this area?!) Average speed in rush hour is around 7mph at the moment. Reducing the max speed limit is unlikely to reduce average journey speed but will make the streets safer and calmer if enforced.

"Officers have apparently been asked "to come back as soon as possible with revised options which improve safety without causing traffic congestion elsewhere in Dulwich"." Would rather this read "....without COMPROMISING SAFETY of cyclists or pedestrians elsewhere in Dulwich" While there was some debate about whether the No Right Turn was necessary or sufficient to improve safety at Townley/ Greendale it seemed to have been proposed for good reasons. There were sensible concerns raised about knock on effects on SAFETY elsewhere (which could have been addressed by a wider filtered permeability scheme, but the 'consultation' was about this junction in isolation). I think worrying about impact of congestion for its own sake is misplaced... but if anyone does want to model that (e.g. if a revised scheme brings in an additional traffic light phase for bikes), please factor in the reduction in congestion which could result if you actually had streets that people of all ages felt sensible and comfortable cycling in. And the increase in congestion which will result if you do nothing to prioritise people on foot or on bikes - in an area with a growing population and growing number of schools.

Dulwich Picture Gallery? Local book shops?