Gosh, Simonethebeaver, I can't imagine trying to get anywhere with a wheelchair AND a pushchair - you must be superwoman! Lochie, I've seen similar reactions from people (shock, anger, disapproval), and have been quite stunned by the kindness of strangers at times. Last week, when I'd been refused by one bus driver, a lovely man came over and shared his umbrella with me until the next bus came. I couldn't count the number of times people have checked that I'm ok, have relayed messages to bus drivers when I need the ramp to be lowered, and have generally been personable and kind. I agree that there's still work to do, in order to make London more friendly to wheelchairs, people with mobility difficulties, and pushchairs, but it's improved a great deal in the 13 years that I've lived in the city. The Jubilee line is pretty good for lifts, all bus routes have been accessible since 2004, and there are visible improvements every year. It's an old city, with an old transport network, but I do believe that the will is there - people do want to make it a friendlier and more accessible city. My main reason for starting this thread wasn't to complain about the use of the pushchair/pram/luggage/wheelchair space on the buses, but to get some alternative views on the subject. I use a wheelchair, so of course I'm going to want to have priority access on the buses, but I rarely travel with luggage, and have never travelled alone with small children or a pushchair/pram. Should there be discretion over the use of the space? If someone is prepared to fold a pushchair or move, that's great, but if they have a poorly or sleeping child, I wouldn't want them to feel that they were forced to move. Does that sound fair?