The Urbanite

I’m taking the signposts posted earlier as current and complete, such cars would be ok as the weight restriction only applies to goods vehicles. However the width of a car that weighs two tonnes should probably be double-checked. A Lamborghini Urus for example is over and is 79 inches wide officially so would fail on the width restriction. Unfortunately where Zipvans are concerned, if it was a VW Transporter it also fails on width (6’7”).

Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I had to call in first thing this morning. Some > stock had been moved around (e.g.cooking oils) but > shelves all seemed stocked. Including loo rolls. > No obvious signs of panic buying at that time. But > if people over buy during the day then shelves are > only being restocked over night, at a guess. I was there at 11pm last night. The shelves had certainly been cleared of all loo rolls but they'd just brought the crates out for restocking. More of the population is becoming aware of this, same deal with handwash.

Depends on where you stand. From observation, a lot of people at East Dulwich prefer to wait religiously at the London end of the platform, squeezing onto packed carriages or even missing the train for a lack of space, whilst the rear few carriages are quieter, some even with plenty of seats. Might take up to 3 minutes extra to get out of London Bridge from the back of the train, but surely worth it if you can actually get on and sit down. Elphinstone's Army Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BrandNewGuy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > There's no problem getting on the 8.30 at the > > moment. A seat or two free in most carriages > and > > plenty of standing room. > > > Were you on the 8.30 train this morning? I was in > the front carriage with a million other standing > commuters, luckily all showered and clean clothes > - a few alighted at Peckham Rye, but more took > their places. It was packed tightly - the notion > that there are seats available at that time on a > busy commuter line seems fanciful.

The Forest Hill line is used by a few express trains each hour from London Bridge to East Croydon and on to Brighton, Uckfield and other places. To avoid Forest Hill, the diversion is via East Dulwich, Tulse Hill and Norwood Junction. The extra traffic on our line (which we aren't benefitting from) means trains miss their paths so it's inevitable the service will be delayed. KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > any bright sparks able to explain to a simpleton > like me how ED LB trains are affected by a > Forest Hill/Sydenham sink-hole ? > Aren't they completely separate lines ?

The contract you refer to is the National Rail Conditions of Carriage - unfortunately, it is stated that the railways will accept no liability for consequential losses arising from service disruption. Section 42c - http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/documents/content/NRCOC.pdf

claphamMover Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Uh oh. We - family of 3 - are thinking of moving > to East Dulwich from Clapham and have been worried > the transport into the City isn't great. Is this > is new phenomenon or something recent?!! We have > been spoiled living next to a tube station but > can't afford the hefty price tags of houses around > here and you get much bigger gardens it seems in > ED. Does anyone cycle down to Herne Hill station > and use the Thameslink? Or is that just too much > effort? Depends on what part of East Dulwich you're thinking on moving to. I snub ED station in favour of Denmark Hill, which has a good service to Victoria and the Overground is useful, but Thameslink services are pretty much crush loaded and everyone tries to squeeze on.

I commute to Victoria anytime between around 0815 and 0845, so quite grateful that hordes of people heading to Kings/Camberwell disgorge at DH. The station can't cope with the volumes of people arriving and departing. It's a pity really, as in recent years the journey opportunities have been transformed with London Overground, through Thameslink services and more capacity to Victoria/all day Dartford services. As lucky as we are to have two cross London routes and the rest, the station refurbishment design was a hatched job. It doesn't help when the barriers are in operation, exacerbating the crowding problems. Yesterday morning I aimed for the 0807. I usually beeline for the front carriage. As luck would have it, there was a last minute platform change - very irritating, though admittedly the first one I've experienced since I started commuting in September. The stairwell and platform was so crowded that the doors shut and the train went before I could reach the platform. Right pain in the rear, though we're lucky enough to get 6 trains between 8 and 9 which are never on time, but do generally arrive at fairly even intervals. As for the buses, some mornings literally seven buses go by with no room to pick up any passengers. I can't even rely on the combined 40/176/185/484 service to get as far as Camberwell, let alone having the nerve to hope for space on a 185 to take me into Victoria! On weekends I trade the office for a driver's cabin - on Sunday I'm driving the rail replacement bus between Denmark Hill and Bromley South via the Herne Hill - Beckenham Junction line stations. Makes a change, driving through the local area and roads I'm familiar with!

I saw a couple of women going through some bins in the East Dulwich Estate in early February. They were really going at it, one was head first in a communal wheely bin

worldwiser Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > OKR is nowhere near as bad as Walworth Road which > is a choked up embarrassment of a major artery > into London. And tens of thousands of people > already live along it. Why put a tube line along a > road that hardly has anyone living along it, build > new housing so that people will move in and > therefore justify a new line! It's utter madness. > Start with fixing the problems we already have > before creating new ones. I mean, build another > one along OKR if you want, but Walworth Road > clearly comes first. There are perennial problems with crowding on buses along the Old Kent Road at peak times, in spite of numerous frequency increases over the years. It's less about how many people live on the road itself, but how many people are within close walking distance to stops on that road. It's fantastic that it's considered to be worthy of being dubbed a "superhighway" and further a pity that trams aren't in vogue, but in reality I expect average bus speeds are scarcely higher than they are along the Walworth Road. Peckham Rye already has rail links going in every direction, north, east, south and west. Direct trains to London Bridge, Victoria, the East London Line, several stations across in or on the City's doorstep and St Pancras International, plus significant places in the South of London such as Clapham Junction, Croydon, Lewisham and Bromley. Very few places are so well connected. I think it'd be very difficult to argue that it needs a Tube station more than the Old Kent Road. East Dulwich dwellers who can reach Lordship Lane easily have decent access by bus to East Dulwich and Denmark Hill stations. Between them, they offer the same fantastic rail links as Peckham Rye. Working close to Waterloo, I used the trains in the morning peak - at East Dulwich, there's usually room to board, even get a seat towards the country end of the platform and I've never been crowded off the Overground or Thameslink service at Denmark Hill - namely because large numbers of health workers and others locally employed/educated get off there. Sometimes I took the bus during the high peak and in all honesty, Walworth Road is a bearable commute. What are train loadings like at Peckham Rye in the mornings? I say this having lived in East Dulwich since the day I was born. Tube stations in Camberwell and Peckham Rye may well produce some positive externalities for the area, which of course might make the case for some whose primary interest isn't the people moving element. As an individual, I support the Camberwell route as it gives me even more travel options, but I can foresee there possibly being a greater social benefit in the Old Kent Road route being chosen.

One of the 40s seems to have picked up a defect recently. Not much fun listening it slogging up the hill as it can be heard coming from a good half mile away. Been sleeping through the infamous cooling fan noises from the Volvo vehicles on the 176s for years now, but this vehicle is significantly more intrusive and woke me up shortly after 4am then again around 6am this morning.

eastdulwichhenry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > @the-e-dealer - are you sure? According to the > season ticket calculator website > http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket > /tickets you can still buy a weekly ticket from > Denmark Hill to Wandsworth Road for ?10.30, even > though Wandsworth Road is now an Overground only > station. This will not be the case after tomorrow. Point to point season tickets between stations on the Queens Road Peckham to Clapham Junction/Kensington Olympia line of route will be removed from sale come the 2nd January 2013. The only exception being if you buy a season ticket between any two of Queens Road Peckham, Peckham Rye and Denmark Hill. I was in the process of campaigning for the reversal of this decision, but after finding that virtually nobody seemed to care, I decided it wasn't worth it. If anybody really wishes to get around it, they can buy a ticket from South Bermondsey (instead of their home station) to their destination. Also, point to point season tickets are valid on the London Overground, so long as one is travelling on a permitted route. Any suggestions otherwise are incorrect.

You can if you are clever about it. TfL have willfully seen that point to point season tickets with validity via the East London Line have been removed from the system. For example, New Cross Gate to Canonbury routed Not Underground had a point to point season ticket available until September 2012. London Overground saw that the season ticket was removed from sale, effective from September 2012. Not Underground tickets are generally available between stations in South London and North London, intended for use via City Thameslink and West Hampstead. TfL don't like point to point season tickets, so you'll have to be creative. You can use National Rail Enquires to find a journey between two stations that is a.) valid via the ELL and b.) has a point to point season available. Or else, pay double for a season ticket, or use Oyster PAYG. Al&Em Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone know if you can get a point to point annual > ticket on the Overground , eg Peckham Rye to > Shoreditch High st without having to make it a > travelcard?

Is there anyone on here who might be affected by the removal of the season tickets I have mentioned? I will be running a campaign to garner some publicity over the next week or two but if there's an insufficient response then I will drop the matter.

TB2 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And still buy them from Denmark Hill / Peckham Rye > to London Terminals - it is only season tickets > internal to the section of route between > Wandsworth Road and Queens Road Peckham that are > affected. Also to Clapham Junction, Imperial Wharf and Kensington Olympia. For example, anyone commuting between Denmark Hill and Clapham Junction via Battersea Park for ?10.30 a week will find that in January, the next cheapest season ticket will be a more expensive one for ?18.00 a week that factors in travelling via Zone 1 (Victoria.) Even though trains will avoid Central London when running to and from Clapham Junction. This ticket only remains because South Eastern will be running services between Denmark Hill and Victoria. The majority of people may commute into London Terminals, but there are still people who both live and work within the catchment area of the line outside of Central London.

If anyone uses the South London Line and currently pays ?10.30 for a weekly season ticket for stations between Queens Road Peckham and Wandsworth Road inclusive, note that from the fares change in January, these season tickets will be removed from general sale. London Overground are not in favour of point to point season tickets. Alternative options are as follows; 1. Use Oyster Pay As You Go. A Zone 2 - Zone 2 peak single will be ?1.70, so up to ?3.40 a day or ?17.00 a week to commute. This is a fixed weekly price, whereas the weekly price of a season ticket is reduced if bought for one month or longer. The Off Peak single is ?1.50, so even if you make a return trip at Off Peak times 4 or 5 days a week, there is still a significant increase in the cost of commuting on the way. 2. Buy a Zone 2 Only Travelcard for ?23.00 a week (same price as a Zone 2-3 Travelcard) 3. Instead of buying a season ticket between your usual stations (i.e Wandsworth Road to Denmark Hill,) buy it to South Bermondsey instead. Season tickets to South Bermondsey will still be available for ?10.60 a week. With season tickets, you are permitted to start/finish your journey at any intermediate station on the line of route.