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No Denis Andries in those lists either. Another underated fighter. One of my personal favourites, though he'd probably never get in anyones top 20, was Tony Sibson. I think he fought Andries and Hagler, losing both. Good honest fighter though.

Nigel Benn was proper West Ham as far as I recall. I remember seeing him as an amatuer at the York Hall Bethnal Green and he wore West Ham colours.

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Tottenham have a genuine chance of winning the league. None of the big 4 has looked in anyway convincing this season and with 18 games to go we are very well placed. We've got a great array of attacking talent. If we can just iron out our flakey moments and not drop points in a silly fashion we may do it. Who knows, even the forum's favourite player David Bentley may score the goal that wins us the league ! COME ON YOU SPURS !!

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I'm very suprised that Ricky Hatton is not in any of those lists and that Nigel Benn is so lowly ranked at 16. No Barry Mcguigan either?

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I think another boxer that probably wouldn't get into many people's top fives but must be worth a mention is Teofilio Stevenson the legendary Cuban heavyweight. 3 gold medals is as impressive a haul as can possibly be achieved in olympic boxing. Who knows how he may have fared if he'd become a pro? In fact there have been some tremendous Cuban fighters over the years such as Felix Savon and jose Napoles.

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Great analysis of Leonard/ Hagler fight and possible outcome of Mayweather/ Pacquaio fight Acid. If I remember correctly Hagler didn't fight much in the year prior to that fight, whereas Leonard's training camp was very intense. Perhaps Hagler underestimated Leonard because of the lay off and move up in weight? It was close and Hagler threw the bigger punches. I always loved Hagler from the moment I saw him beat up Minter, but there is a special place in my heart for Leonard. He was so dashing and so skilful and his pretty boy looks belied a true fighter's heart. It's also a great point about Pacquaio. He does make tiny mistakes and it's those tiny margins that Mayweather will exploit.

I think he'll beat Pacquaio for the reasons you've stated. He is very cocky (not a problem in boxing) but I don't like the way he bangs on about money all the time. Lacks a bit of class.

I don't agree with that. Leonard was superb in that fight, moving up to middleweight to tackle Hagler and coming back from retirement with his eye injuries. He trained very hard for that fight and Hagler was over confident. He deserved the win.

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Great stuff Acid casual. I love reading your posts. You are a real student of the game. A bit like Tyson in fact, who studied boxing and boxing history with a real passion and certainly knew his stuff. I note you don't mention Mayweather junior in any of your lists or honorouble mentions. How highly do you rate him?

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So who are your top 5 Acid Casual? I'll tell you mine,and they are from fighters I have seen so I don't include obvious legends such as Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Louis as I never saw them: So here they are in no particular order: 1.Larry Holmes 2.Sugar Ray Leonard 3.Ali 4.Nigel Benn 5.Mike Tyson I know Nigel Benn was not technically as good as the other 4,and probably many others such as Hearns, Mayweather and Lennox Lewis, but my god what heart and balls that man had and he could fight ! a real fighter. Tyson ended up being disgraced , but in his prime he was awesome. I see him the way I see Maradona in football. A flawed genius but a genius nonetheless.

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I remember when Hagler came over here and routed Alan Minter in his own backyard. And Minter was a good fighter. Hagler, Hearns and Leaonard were all great fighters with contrasting styles. I think all the fights between them were epics. Duran was also around at that time, and there were many other very good fighters in the welterweight to middle weight category.Carlos Palomino, Don Curry, Wilfredo Benitez. I even fondly remember Dave Boy Green.Having said that Duran was beaten by Kirkland Laing in the states and Honeyghan done Curry over there too if I remember rightly. Kirkland Laing could have been a legend, however I think his life may have been a bit chaotic. Oh and you're right about Hagler.He always strkes me as a class act....a real champ.

Ok Acid Casual I'll take your word for it as you seem pretty knowledgable. I just remember reading it somewhere..but as you say it doesn't sound particularly Hearns like as he was quite an offensive fighter. Who can forget that fight against Marvin Hagler !!

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