You have all my sympathy. I'm also 36, with an almost 14 teenage daughter. And seen a few of those letters. (ok got some nice ones too) And already had a *few* years of teenage attitude. I sometimes console myself with the thought that an early beginning might also mean an early end (of adolescent behaviour) but then I remember there's another two following behind :) [at the moment I'm pre-empting: before she gives me *the look* and goes "whaaat??" I do it to her, it's turned into a little funny game] Oh BTW : Hi people, I'm new to this forum (1st post!) I'm Raphael and live off North Cross Rd with my lovely wife and two soon to be three daughters.