TheCat

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So Corbyn and the Labour Party should have nailed > their colours to their chest and supported Brexit > without a referendum (difficult as they had > already blocked a softish deal), to retain > Workington and West Bromwich whilst confusing > their Metropolitan elite in London, Leeds, > Manchester and Liverpool. > > Discuss....... But jokes aside.....the key problem as I see it is the mechanism thatLabour has for electings it's leadership. They should make it a priority to revert back to MP's, rather than members, deciding on the leadership. This way there is at least some form of responsibility to the broader electorate, rather than to a niche cabal of members who exert a wholly un-representative influence over the party (as I think it's pretty hard to argue against after the events of last week).

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So Corbyn and the Labour Party should have nailed > their colours to their chest and supported Brexit > without a referendum (difficult as they had > already blocked a softish deal), to retain > Workington and West Bromwich whilst confusing > their Metropolitan elite in London, Leeds, > Manchester and Liverpool. > > Discuss....... I'd love to. But some people have called on Admin for this thread too be shutdown now, as some of things being said are hurting their feelings......

Free market.....charge what you can get away with.....

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That?s two points I agree with The Cat on in as > many days. Well... Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy......:)

Does the 'working class' still exist? A decent tradesman will make more tha most office workers. So where does the 'middle class' begin and end....

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > pk Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > TheCat Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > Amongst the cat's wife's labour loving > > friends, > > > > there's no self reflection this morning. > Just > > > > moaning that the 'right wing media' did a > > > hatchet > > > > job on corbyn and labour. And all Britain > are > > > > stupid and got 'hoodwinked' apparently. > > > > > > > > Not one ounce of self reflection. I don't > get > > > it > > > > > > > > > So what you?re saying is that your wife > chooses > > > stupid friends? > > > > Probably unnecessarily aggressive there friend. > > You?re the one insulting your wife?s friends Uh. No mate. That would be you insulting them. I was confused by the lack of self-reflection. You decided to label people as stupid.

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Amongst the cat's wife's labour loving friends, > > there's no self reflection this morning. Just > > moaning that the 'right wing media' did a > hatchet > > job on corbyn and labour. And all Britain are > > stupid and got 'hoodwinked' apparently. > > > > Not one ounce of self reflection. I don't get > it > > > So what you?re saying is that your wife chooses > stupid friends? Probably unnecessarily aggressive there friend.

les-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you don't vote, you are basically agreeing with > the manifesto of each party. Thats a very strange statement. I made the conscious decision not to vote. Not through laziness, but purposefully. I'm very engaged in the political process, and I value my vote. And I didn't want to use it to endorse anyone that I had the choice of voting for. If I have the right to choose who to vote for, then choosing 'none of the above' is a right I also have.

Amongst the cat's wife's labour loving friends, there's no self reflection this morning. Just moaning that the 'right wing media' did a hatchet job on corbyn and labour. And all Britain are stupid and got 'hoodwinked' apparently. Not one ounce of self reflection. I don't get it

cella Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > It's notthat bad people. It's more of the > same.... > > > You can only be this cavalier if you feel that > nothing can shake your secure world. Don't worry > about those less confident and fearful. Good luck > with that and to all of us. 'More of the same' = cavalier????

Amongst the predictions of doom and gloom. At least the remoaners will finally STFU..... Jokes people.

It's notthat bad people. It's more of the same....

Every since I was a kid. I've looked forward to the election results show. I know it's sad, but its the mathematician in me.....

So...I'll add some perspectives then from the 'new world'....:) I grew up in Brisbane, and never really thought racism was a feature of my life..... But looking back with the more balanced eyes of an adult.... some of the bullying and teasing of kids in early years of high school was pretty deplorable to be honest. Not so much a black versus white thing, but white versus south east Asian (and I lament whatever role I played as an idiot early teen) Not long after uni, I moved to outback Queensland for work. To a town that according to locals had a 'black problem'. I also vividly recall some friends from Brisbane coming to town for a few days to visit and saying 'I never really disliked aborigines until I came to a country town'..... Despite all this evidence as a young Cat I would have sworn black and blue that Australia is not a racist country. Now, having living on these grey and drizzly shores for nearly 15 years, (and with the benefit of maturity) I see that the tyranny of distance for Australia makes it something of a bubble, where things are judged not by broad international standards, but by relative standards within the bubble, which can be problematic. All this said, I hope that my recollections are of an Australia that used to exist, and things have moved on considerably in my time away.....

A very serious issue Malumbu. And any of these idiots in New Zealand or anywhere else should be named and shamed. But aren't you falling into similar trap by suggesting 'any kiwis' apologise for a few dickheads? (Yes - I know 'new Zealander' is not a race...but you get the picture I'm sure)

So a victory for the Guardian and Twitter...what's has he done?apart from be friends with a criminal?

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > dbboy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Funniest thing this morning on radio 4 was > Angela > > Rayner boasting that when she was Education > > minister on 13th December she'd abolish tuition > > fee's. It was so arrogant of her, it was cringe > > worthy. Can't wait till the 13th to see her > swept > > away. > > Sajid Javid wasn't that good on Sky News - Just > wants to talk about Labour not his own policies. > > Seems we have one of the worst groups of > politicians in memory Maybe it's time to raise MP pay.......;)

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DulwichFox Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > How will Labour fund its promises.. ? > > > > If you drive a car, I'll tax the street > > If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat > > If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat > > If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet > > > > 'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman > > > Unless you earn over ?80,000 , Labour's changes > are not likely to affect your income :) Well, they sorta will, as they will kill the economy, and probably make your income zero, because you won't have a job.....but it's okay, coz we can all wrap ourselves in a blanket of comfort that we stuck it to the rich guys.....

DulwichFox Wrote: -------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------- > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > Voting is not compulsory in the UK. Only in > dictatorships. Is that what you want ?? > Huh?.....like those well known dictatorships of Australia, Belgium, and switzerland? (To name just a few)

While I'm all for initiates to improve inequality, and am personally happy to pay a modest amount more intax to improve welfare and public services. This type of talk from the labour party is absolutely terrifying.... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/19/labour-rewrite-rules-economy-john-mcdonnell Many on this board curse brexit for what will destroy this country's economy, well with policies like these labour will make brexit seem like a small blip in the road.... Watch as private investment, foreign direct investment and business confidence evaporate as the 'shareholder economy' is dismantled.... Oh by the way John McDonnell, just about every one of those workers you want to support is also a shareholder in most of the leading UK listed companies. Destroy the shareholder economy, and destroy the pension pots of the workers as well.....

Man, what shitty situation we find ourselves in, in the UK. The only realistic two choices for our next Prime Minister are a rock (our lying, self-serving, flexibly principled current prime minister) and a hard place (a well meaning, highly principled fellow, who's laudable desire to make society more equitable is over shadowed by the fact that his economic policies will have the unintended consequence of completely destroying the UK economy). I'm open to ideas here? I suppose I always have my Aussie passport as a backup....:)

Okay....this isn't trolling, and I know this is OTT....But it did make me laugh..... To be clear, I do not advocate a lot (most) of things he says...like the immigration thing..... I just didn't have AC at school in oz in the 80s....

I reckon Olley's in Herne Hill do the best fish. But as many on here will tell you, it doesn't come cheap....

herne hilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Its so sad that someones livelihood has come to an > end. > The local chip shop has been a staple on any high > street since the 70s and many chip shops are stuck > there. > But saying that I love a good fish&chip dinner > with a gherkin that i can pick up for ?8 ish. But > a business can not survive on the few people like > me. If we look at the demographic of people in the > area and also the vast number of food > establishments and the ease of deliveroo, people > are spoilt for choice and many don't bat an eye at > spending ?50 on a take out on some artisan meal > with a side of smashed avocado and goji berries > ;). > Sad but a sign of the times. Don't be ridiculous, everyone knows that Goji berries don't go with smashed avocado. Next thing you'll be suggesting I pair my quinoa with my oat-milk macchiato.....

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We've probably run out of things to say. > > May's attempt to satisfy both camps, with a mixed > cabinet and some alignment, to be stabbed in the > back by ERG and BoJo. > > BoJo dropping DUP without a second thought > > Tories move to the right and exodus of the > moderates > > BoJo managing to make the country even more > divided > > A worse deal and a worse PM than under May yet > much of the country swallows it > > On the good side it's focused my view on what't to > blame - an internecine conflict on the fields of > Eton > > Nothing new there but thanks for letting me get > this off my chest Cat agreed.....there's nothing to say......