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MG - the bit near the station is north  and the bit between ED Grove and Lordship Lane is South.  

Hopefully that helps people work out which bit is being discussed. 

Well unless you have a different user name  you weren't actually commenting on this at all - i was responding to the posters who had concerns about the wooden planters falling apart.   Do carry on though...

It was always meant to be a loading bay rather than parking spaces, but just got used for parking.  It still is a loading bay though. 

If you're talking about the wooden planters at the end of Melbourne Grove, Elsie, Tintagel etc they were always temporary and clearly in place longer than their lifespan but the work taking place now is to put in the permanent scheme.  So the falling apart planters will be removed as part of this. 

On 20/03/2025 at 18:22, OutOfFocus said:

Saw someone being clippered today, so maybe its both 

Think thats right actually - further investigation and its a barbers and a nail bar!  Can't imagine how there could be unmet demand for more nail options locally, but anyway, theres another one!

You could look at JASSPA if Saturdays would work for you - you'd need to get in touch to see about how you sign up for lessons starting in Sept or whether there are any slots for any instruments before then.  

Also saw that the barbers on Grove Vale next to Alpine Dry Cleaners has become another nail bar.  

St Barnabas Church has a choir, as does St Faiths. Alternatively JASSPA on Saturdays has a children's choir and a community choir for adults.

Still time to object to this on the grounds of over development, no local need, not addressing the community need for affordable family homes etc.

https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=makeComment&keyVal=SHWOSNKBJXR00

There is a huge shortage of family homes in this area and allowing developers to maximise gain by building individual bedsits for students in an area where there is no demand for that would be such a waste of this land and once built that opportunity has been lost. 

The ongoing cost of maintaining the area will be met by taxpayers and none of it will be picked up by student residents or the developers so its a particularly poor local proposal and one that will affect people much more widely than just the neighbouring streets. 

24/AP/2314 | Demolition of existing buildings and construction of a mixed-use development of 3 buildings being 1) part 5, part 6 part 7 storeys, 2) part 5, part 7, part 8 storeys and 3) part 7 and part 8 storeys, accommodating up to 1,229sqm of flexible employment space (Use Class E), up to 53 residential homes (Use Class C3) and up to 360 purpose-built student accommodation rooms (Use Class Sui Generis) with ancillary cycle parking, refuse stores, car parking and landscaping. | Hall And Co Ltd Jewson Site Railway Rise London Southwark SE22 8WW

Submission here - there is a s106 form submitted but doesn't detail what the payment would be - just that they're seeking relief for the social housing component. 

I imagine they will have enough data that they can get demand for it and fill it - but the issues about the impact more broadly - costs of waste collection, street cleaning, healthcare etc plus transport with zero uplift in council tax to pay for any of it is a concern.   The only winner here would be the developer who would make huge amounts of money from the site leaving Southwark and ultimately  local residents with the costs. 

52 minutes ago, TES said:

"there's actually huge demand for all housing. The failure over many years to build housing is pushing UK productivity down and exacerbating the cost of living crisis. Of course it's fine to have an opinion that a building is too big, or whatever, but at the end of the day we don't solve the housing crisis without building more houses. So it's either brownfield spots like this former warehouse, or it's densifying existing residential (i.e. knock down and rebuild), or it's building on greenfield. I struggle to see how London meets the housing needs of the next few decades without plans like this one."

I think that the concern is that originally in the Southwark Plan this site was earmarked for housing - and the expectation would be that affordable housing would be part of that given the size of the development.  This development has a derisory amount of housing and an even smaller absolute number of 'affordable homes' - again to purchase not for rental and they are being subsidised by the developer looking to build student accom for much higher £ per square m.

The concern from my perspective is that the development doesn't meet the need we have in this area for more family homes and in particular 'affordable housing - either to buy or rent' but does add a large amount of accommodation for which there is no clear need locally.  Once this is built as individual student rooms that land and possibility of suitable accommodation will be gone forever. There aren't many sites locally where a significant impact could be made in building new homes and this is one of the last few!

There is a separate and related point on infrastructure in terms of 400 students needing to register with a dr for example.  All reports on Tessa Jowell health centre seem to indicate it can't cope with current levels so an influx of 400 individual students is going to increase pressure there.  The trains from East Dulwich still haven't returned to precovid frequency and given the narrative that students will travel to uni sites elsewhere  the capacity isn't there at peak times.. 

On 09/09/2024 at 12:14, Joe said:

Planet of the Grapes wine bar and shop is open as of a few days ago. Its in the premises behind Bon on Frogley Street, formally occupied by Forest. Good luck to them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_i0z6UoK-P/

walked past this on the weekend and it looks really nice - the seating area is by the doors so works well with the space. Think it will be a good addition.

Bowling (Lane 7 or All star lanes), cinema trip plus food, sleepover, karaoke.  Depends what they're into.  Crystal Maze or escape room or if they're sporty there's an archery place near London Bridge / Bermondsey.  

With the exception of cinema trip most of those would mean heading somewhere centrally rather than ED though. 

It was Thistell and then Le Chardon.  It had a brief stint as Tart  then flooded, closed and reopend as Kartuli

I don't think that they do generally - but you could offer them up on Olio?

Actually the last significant bulge year is now going into year 10  - there are continually places in secondary in Southwark.  Again this doesn't mean there are places at Charter North or East or Kingsdale, but there are often places at Elm Green, Deptford Green and some of the Harris academies locally. 

The VAT issue is complex and won't be as straightforward as a 20% hike, but if posters could stop with the hyperbole around classes of 40 and kids sitting on the floor that would be helpful. 

So if you live 'just on the border' you'd be eligible for Southwark schools - where there are places.  I understand that you're unhappy about the potential VAT being applied, but the attempts at misinformation on this thread have been dreadful. 

Factually - there aren't a shortage of school places in the state sector locally - although they might not be in the school you would want.   You're still trying to scaremonger with your 30-40 kids in a class and sitting on the floor comments, whereas in reality several local schools are undersubscribed and consultations have taken place about closing some provision. 

Its also true that the increase in fees has been in the region of 10% for each of the last few years in private schools locally.  There has been no mass exodus.   Some people will have exited, some will continue to do so if VAT is applied, but there are many many more who couldn't pay the fees in the first place so it doesn't feel like the 'smoking gun' that is being claimed here. 

I think that one of the key considerations that i'd think about would be the peer group.  Hamlet is a distance based catchment, Judith Kerr is not - so this may mean that friends are more widely spread.  Might not be a deal breaker but one to consider.   Parents at both seem pretty happy overall though. 

I"ll miss Oliver Bonas - its a shame its going.  

So you don't live in Southwark?   There are primary places in Southwark.  Also if you don't live in Southwark why are you posting on the East Dulwich Forum?

35 minutes ago, Jenijenjen said:

So much excitement at one time it was going to be an M&S, now look at us. Maybe a Waitrose?

I continually hope for a Lidl - but feels like replacing the Coop with that would be a better fit.  Will be interesting to see what can take on this unit though as its fairly large.  Perhaps a pizza place doing gel nails on the side...

You asked 'how over subscribed are local schools' - not what is the picture nationally.  This is the East Dulwich Forum.  The answer for East Dulwich and surrounding is that some schools are very over subscribed, others have places. 

Not sure your point re 'foreign students' is really hitting either - parents have been finding the fee increases without mass exodus so realistically not sure that it will be the issue you see.  Local people often can't afford the fees at all - this isn't a reason to keep them VAT free though either. 

You'd need to check the admissions criteria for the current year - but a few years ago it was changed to straight line as the crow flies rather than 'walking route'.  I don't believe it has been changed from that since but if its relevant to you then check the admissions criteria

Again on this - fees at local privates have been increasing circa 10% per annum recently and it hasn't stopped them being massively oversubscribed so this notion that there will be a mass exodus is a weird take on it. 

2.  The Labour plans for adding VAT have been around for a while - so if we are looking at secondary age kids, realistically the youngest year not to have known about it before putting their child in private school is year 10 now.  There is often movement to state at sixth form anyway, so perhaps only 1 year to find the difference. 

For those at primary, similar story  - v few 4+ places locally anyway comparatively so those at 7+ will be getting to year 6 now and could apply to secondaries. 

Using Charter North as a comparator isn't really reasonable - yes its oversubscribed.  Some children who go to private now also wouldn't get in - but there are other Southwark schools which aren't over subscribed so there would be educational provision.