mockingbird

worth a read https://www.onlondon.co.uk/paul-wheeler-why-londons-road-wars-are-tearing-labour-apart/ and in the context of increasing evidence that Southwark consultations are not worth the Commonplace (or other media of choice consultation method of the moment) they are written on

Listening to Maajid Nawaz LBC London this afternoon. Length session on LTNs with many callers giving their views. Replay should be on catch up later https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/b8FPiKG/ between 3-4pm

What about our local Ward Councillor who has clearly taken a view and is not representing all constituents? Quote from twitter feed: Other cities that Dulwich isn't, Copenhagen, Oslo etc Since when did Dulwich become a city? https://twitter.com/search?q=richard%20leeming&src=typed_query

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The council spent about ?25,000 commissioning an > independent third party report into the benefit > and impact of closing Melbounre Grove at EDG, as > well as other alternatives, and that report noted > that it was a very bad idea to proceed with a > closure. > > But some people now know better of course. Is there a copy of this report?

ab29. This might help. The Southwark site seems to have two levels to log in. One is My Southwark and it is possible that you changed the password for that. When you are on the petition web pages, you also need to register and this is different to My Southwark. So look for that first and create a sign in for it or ask for a password reset from that link (not My Southwark). All very badly put together. Another potential problem that I can see is that as you move from this page: https://www.southwark.gov.uk/engagement-and-consultations/have-your-say/petition-scheme by clicking on the 'create or sign a petition' link, the pages move from being secure with the padlock sign, to insecure with the open padlock sign. A pc may block this so perhaps try from another device, phone perhaps, if so.

hoorah. I am amazed and encouraged to see that local groups are talking to each other. And that there is a common voice to address these LTNs. well done. Signed

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/05/grant-shapps-tells-councils-stop-abusing-250m-fund-meant-green/ this link to Shapps article should work

Copied from Melbourne petition thread as relevant here: I will sign but perhaps a mirror E-petition can also be replicated on Southwark's own petition site at https://www.southwark.gov.uk/engagement-and-consultations/have-your-say/petition-scheme Petition scheme A petition is a statement about a local issue, supported by the signatures of local residents or those directly affected. A member of the public or a councillor can present a petition at a local community council meeting, the cabinet, to other council committees or council assembly. All petitions sent or presented to the council will receive an acknowledgement from the council within 10 clear working days of receipt. So what is within 10 days? The Southwark AGM! Need to get signatures going quickly over the weekend though http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=132&MId=6772&Ver=4

I will sign but perhaps a mirror E-petition can also be replicated on Southwark's own petition site at http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgepetitionlistdisplay.aspx?bcr=1 Petition scheme A petition is a statement about a local issue, supported by the signatures of local residents or those directly affected. A member of the public or a councillor can present a petition at a local community council meeting, the cabinet, to other council committees or council assembly. All petitions sent or presented to the council will receive an acknowledgement from the council within 10 clear working days of receipt. So what is within 10 days? The Southwark AGM! Need to get signatures going quickly over the weekend though http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=132&MId=6772&Ver=4

Check appendices 1-4 http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50023654&Opt=0 The correct holistic picure is shown on Burbage and Turney. Townley and DV are incorrect as they omit the Turney and Burbage closures (must have been an earlier version). So Areas B and C are truly kettled.

The impact of these extended proposals are immense. Just take a look at the displacement that this will cause. Blocking off Townley to EDG, Dulwich Village from College Rd, Burbage and Turney. hopskip Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Southwark have just published proposals on their > next Covid ETMO measures in case you haven't seen > it. > > Decision > page:http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgDelegated > Decisions.aspx?&RP=0&K=0&V=0&DM=0&HD=0&DS=0&Next=t > rue&META=mgdelegateddecisions&DR=09/08/2020-23/08/ > 2020. > Scroll down and look for the two links - Batch 2 > and Batch 3 (top and bottom of list currently) > > Here is the link?for the Area B/C Dulwich scheme > additions:http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssu > eHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50023654&Opt=0 > > Jaw dropping mess and implications. Our Cllrs > have obviously been supporting these for some > time.....

Please add your comments also to the Our Healthy Streets Dulwich thread as they are so relevant to the debate and should not be overlooked.

And this year long 'consultation' was founded on a tiny Phase 2 sample who apparently said 'they wanted it' which led to a Phase 3 OHSD single consultation on fixed closures for Area B. I am bemused that you believe the Council and Cllrs statements despite their continuing attempts to suppress disclosure of the details! That's how they push silly schemes through on their political agendas. KatyKoo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The council ran a year long consultation - didn't > you know? it got one of the highest responses ever > in a Southwark consultation - over 2000. There > were lots of posters around advertising public > meetings, and leaflets, street stalls etc. Would > have thought you being so knowledgeable on the > subject you might have attended some of the > meetings?

Thank you Snowy that is what is stated in the Traffic Mgmt Regs. There is NO process or requirement to consult on experimental orders other the police. Written objections can be made during the first six months of its operation. Wulfhound - the item that you point to does not say that a consultation occurs. snowy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > mockingbird Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > wulfhound Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > Experimental Orders do not require > > consultation > > > but to make them permanent after the stated > > time, > > > that DOES require consultation. > > > > > hi wulfhound > > You state that making experimental orders > > permanent does require consultation after the > > stated time. Can you advise where the > regulations > > state this? > > From the amendments to the Transport Act related > to covid that I?ve previously posted. Technically > they need only consult emergency services to make > any changes that the government (via Department > for Transport)has directed them to do.

wulfhound Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Experimental Orders do not require consultation > but to make them permanent after the stated time, > that DOES require consultation. > hi wulfhound You state that making experimental orders permanent does require consultation after the stated time. Can you advise where the regulations state this?