bejam

Good luck with the rest of this conversation. It started badly and is unlikely to gain any traction now.

Indeed, The DKH estate

There is a slight difference between fighting when your country and kin is in peril, to being a trained killbot for geopolitical freebooting and neo colonialism of the latter half of the 20th century Ron. You know this.

Of course I have not been to war. I am not stupid enough to join up.

Soldiers are no more or less worthy of deification than any other public servant. I genuinely fail to understand the utter lunacy of this mindset and the apparent surgical removal of all rational thought.

delightful programme. One of the highlights of the week. it would take a cold hearted automaton not to be moved my this shamelessly edited voyeurfest.

"market forces" a distinctive spoor. best left to its own table thumping devices

We are not American edhistory.

lol

Apparently so. Keep them coming. Its good to know that there are still some out there who retain childlike innocence amidst the world weary cynicism that we adopt far too easily

The top end was not actually originally part of Oglander to be fair - Oglander and the smaller houses came later.

Using a postcode to determine the area is rank idiocy and the last refuge of the craven and foolhardy. Oglander road is no more part of Peckham than Hastings is of Tonbridge.

market forces. lol

Why not just ask if they actually live here?

I believe Dulwich travel @ 133 LL is now shut. I think Peckham or Lewisham may be your best bet.

Action can be taken if stall holders on the NCR do not run up- they can be subject to sanction. Obviously it is a balancing act for the council - for every hog roast and pig meat vendor who will turn up every week regardless of the weather, there will be random table top artisanal stuff that comes and goes as the stall holder is balancing a p/t business with family etc. It is worth chasing the market section of the council - in a nice way- to show you are serious. If not, speak to the stallholders and see if there could be some symbiosis to be had with your stock and ideas.

I am sure many will pop and provide advice- one thing that is impacting the area at the minute us the Sargasso weed(Sargassum). I am not familiar with the lifecycle of this curious weed but you may want to check nearer the time as to the likelihood of it being present. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/10/caribbean-bound-tourists-cancel-holidays-due-to-foul-smelling-seaweed

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > bejam Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Deciding on a conclusion and then looking for > the > > evidence to back up your conclusion isn't good > practice you know > > Can't be worse practise than quoting half a page > of text just to add a one-line non-sequitur. Quoted for posterity as insurance against a deft edit Laurence

Keep your hair on David. I am not interested in whatever agenda is driving you to be so utterly, utterly seething, but take some time to construct your rants and you may find a more receptive audience

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Why people feel the need to resort to violence is > > > beyond me, especially when it's aimed at a > private > > individual who's just trying to create a > business > > for themselves. I fear these people are using > > gentrification as a justification for mindless > > violence, however, it still doesn't detract from > > > the wider argument that gentrification is > causing > > a culture of 'them and us' to develop around the > > > inner London boroughs. Abject poverty siting > cheek > > by jowl with wealth, in traditionally working > > class neighbourhoods." > > This is the thought a lot of people have, but its > a bit more complicated than that. Apart from > anything else, most of the 'protesters' are not > local in the sense of the word that most people > understand - the two I have seen quoted are an > artist who moved to Shoreditch 15 years ago (when > it was cheap) and an American professor. There > was a thread on here a while back about > 'regeneration' in Brixton, and the opposition to > that. Local newspapers quoted local families > saying they were in favour of regeneration - it > was bringing better jobs and generally more money > to the area - and the protesters were largely > incomers, albeit those who had moved to Brixton 15 > years ago (when it was cheap). And I remember the > same divide when Spitalfields market was being > redeveloped, and I was living nearby. There was > almost complete disagreement between the > artists/traders etc who had moved into the area > (when it was cheap) and the local, largely > Bangladeshi families who were quite keen on seeing > the City and associated employment) spreading > east. And let's not forget that the communities > that are now considered local in Brixton > (Afro-Caribbean) and the East End (Bangladeshi) > were not themselves made exactly welcome back in > the early days. > > The fact is that London changes all the time, and > the pattern of gentrification has often been the > same. Cheap inner london areas are 'discovered' > first by young cool types, and once the area has a > buzz about it more (and more mainstream) > businesses come in, property prices rise, and so > on. The people who shout the loudest are usually > the initial pioneers who are priced out - real > long term residents are often happy to sell up, > take the cash and move to the suburbs, or stay on > in the knowledge that even if their kids are > priced out, gentrification always brings more > money into the area and that's likely to be a good > thing overall. It's certainly the case that a > house owned by a high earning family who employ a > childminder and a cleaner, use local tradesmen to > do up their house and a local garage to service > their car, will contribute more to the local > economy than a houseful of artists who bought the > place for peanuts when no one wanted to live > there. > > None of this is intended to suggest that > gentrification doesn't cause problems, but when > you say this: > > "Abject poverty siting cheek > > by jowl with wealth, in traditionally working > > class neighbourhoods. " > > it's as well to remember that before the wealth > arrived there was poverty sitting cheek by jowl > with more poverty - not something that many people > want to preserve. The focus should be on > spreading the wealth, not chasing it away. Deciding on a conclusion and then looking for the evidence to back up your conclusion isn't good practice you know just saying

You apply to Southwark council. but be warned, its is very difficult to get onto the NCR unless you can prove you are able to handle the space for a long period and have all the required insurance etc. They are inundated with feckless people fancying a punt with crappy diamonte dog collars and that ilk - they are looking for people who have commitment to do this all year round, and not just for Xmas.

Hi all on the lookout for a SE to come and have a look at roof/ loft dormer as a precursor to commissioning building work If anyone has used and can recommend a local or available SE, it would really be appreciated! Thanks

I am on box 23 Dulwich of that helps anyone

3.1 meg at sky/ 36 meg using BTI

Currently getting 3.1 meg / 1.2 meg on Sky and its killing us. We switch over to BTI tomorrow. lets see how this works out. I will post back