rendelharris

civilservant Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > i wasn't aware of that, singalto - which quietway > is this and when will it come into operation? > nothing on the TFL quietway pages to indicate this It's going to be part of the Southwark Spine cycling/walking route, not part of the Quietway - that runs to the west (Greendale/Champion Hill/Camberwell Grove).

SueOrr0103 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Already done that redharris. Cat is warm and safe > :-) Good for you ma'am, top notch behaviour. Hope the mog recovers and owners are found.

Well done for taking the trouble, lots wouldn't. If you can, just as with humans, if you could get a blanket over the poor thing and keep it warm until help arrives that might be useful.

spider69 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My wife used the above route you were talking > about on Monday and came home and said where has > all the traffic gone. > > Could not believe how empty all the roads were. I'm happy to accept it as an anomaly - irritatingly I have to make rather more trips to hospital than I would like so I'll report back when I next stroll up there. It is at least possible that the predicted recalibration of traffic flow is starting to occur though, no? I can certainly say with confidence that, making a coffee/paper run on my bike most mornings to Sainsbury's (freelancers like to get some form of human contact) the predicted horrendous traffic flow through Bromar/Quorn/Pytchley etc simply isn't happening, it's the same as it's always been in the three years I've lived on an adjoining road, which is to say minimal, and the traffic on Malfort/Grove Hill Roads is significantly reduced as nobody's heading for the Champion Hill ratrun now.

sdrs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This morning at 8.30 am the traffic was jammed > solid down south Grove Lane up to the Champion > Hill junction and at about 9.30 there was a very > bad accident ( two cars badly damaged and an > ambulance) at the junction of Grove Lane and > Champion Hill. The accident was surely caused by > the traffic congestion etc. That's a rather large assumption, isn't it? Surely traffic congestion mitigates the chances of serious accidents by reducing speeds?

> It has been said that some people carry no cash at all. > So what about tipping in a restaurant after a meal. ? Most if not all restaurants now have a "gratuity" feature on the card reader so one can add as much on top as wished.

betternowthanthen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rendelharris > > ------------------ > Your pics are def taken when breaks in > traffic.....how about you compare them to pics > taken at 6am? sure they'll look the same. How > about you take them at rush hour, oh, don't forget > to get ones that actually involve the actual > trafffic???!! > > Your fooling no one again, by the way, keep it > coming, i'm enjoying this... Oh dear. Yes, well done Sherlock, of course they're taken during breaks in the traffic, did I say they proved there was no traffic at all (though for the DKH estate streets, they are a fair representation of how the streets were/are at all times)? The point is, if Grove Lane and Dog Kennel Hill have been suffering "gridlock" due to the CH closure, as some have claimed, how was I able to take photographs at the height of rush hour showing those roads completely empty? Where's the gridlock? All pictures were taken, as stated, between 8.05 and 8.20 on Monday morning; if you choose not to believe that because the facts don't fit your chosen narrative, I couldn't care less. ETA Just for you, here's a screenshot of my iPhone with the DKH picture. You will note the time - Monday 08.18.

anthonyqkiernan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are there any local charities or charity shops > that uplift white goods? British Heart Foundation are brilliant - if it's in working order, they'll send someone to collect. They took our fridge freezer and our washing machine when we changed them, great service and they even stay in touch to let you know how much they sold them for. Heartily recommended. https://www.bhf.org.uk/shop/furniture-and-electrical-shops ETA Sorry I didn't even realise what a terrible pun I'd made there!

spider69 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Strange. Not one moving car in sight on any road. Yeah, I must have Photoshopped them out...in fact there were two cars at the top of Ivanhoe and there were two cars and a lorry waiting at the lights at the end of Pytchley - not easy to see as had to compress photos massively to meet the forum requirements. Only really strange if you find reality strange.

sdrs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- The tailbacks in morning rush > hour which were once contained on Champion Park > now extend all the way down Grove Lane, on a bad > morning almost all the way back to Champion Hill. In that case, how was I able to take the bottom right photograph, showing Grove Lane completely clear, at 8.20 on a Monday morning? How was I able to take photos at the height of rush hour on the roads that are supposedly packed with rat runners showing them completely clear? This isn't a question of saying that's my opinion, or I'm making it up - there's the factual evidence. I too, funnily enough, observe and experience the situation daily, as I live, walk and cycle in the affected area. My experience is, as supported by photographic evidence, that the situation is nothing like as dire as some are claiming.

(Also posted on another thread but may be of interest to those on here) I had to walk to hospital this morning, so I took some pictures of the traffic situation, bearing in mind that we've been told that the CH closure will lead to massive ratrunning through the DKH estate and that, allegedly, traffic has been gridlocked up Champion Park and down Dog Kennel Hill since the CH closure. Clockwise from top left: Bromar Road, Quorn Road, Ivanhoe Road, Grove Lane, Dog Kennel Hill and Pytchley Road. All pictures taken between 8.05 and 8.20 this morning. There was a traffic jam along the bottom part of Champion Park, stretching back almost as far as the wolf sculpture; in the twenty-plus years I've lived round here there has always been a traffic jam of that length or longer at rush hour, it's a very busy road with a pelican that turns red every ninety seconds or less and there is a very long red/short green phasing at the lights at the Denmark Hill junction. From the wolf sculpture, cars were taking approximately two minutes to reach Denmark Hill. Of the alleged nightmarish gridlock of which we've heard so much, not a sign.

Charles Notice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How many people/houses are there on Grove Hill > Road, Bromar Road, Pytchley Road, Quorn Road, > Malfort Road, Ivanhoe Road together with all the > flats on to the the DKH estate that now have the > pleasure of the road closure? Well, Charles, I had to walk to hospital again this morning, so I took some pictures for you. Clockwise from top left: Bromar Road, Quorn Road, Ivanhoe Road, Grove Lane, Dog Kennel Hill and Pytchley Road. All pictures taken between 8.05 and 8.20 this morning. So you can put your kind concerns for residents of these roads to rest, it would seem. There was a traffic jam along the bottom part of Champion Park, stretching back almost as far as the wolf sculpture; in the twenty-plus years I've lived round here there has always been a traffic jam of that length or longer at rush hour, it's a very busy road with a pelican that turns red every ninety seconds or less and there is a very long red/short green phasing at the lights at the Denmark Hill junction. From the wolf sculpture, cars were taking approximately two minutes to reach Denmark Hill. Of the alleged nightmarish gridlock of which we've heard so much, not a sign.

mrwb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This applies to a lot of London. It's becoming an > awful place to live. TFL and the boroughs just see > us as cash machines. Just wait till the ULEZ > extension. Crime is rising, with police stations > closed, robbery and even murders especially with > knives getting much worse. The homicide rate in London for 2018 at 132 was lower than it was for every single year between 1990 and 2008. Not saying everything in the garden's rosy, but I would say don't be hysterical about saying everything's getting worse.

Charles Notice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The question asked was how residential were the > above roads? > > If you feel Champion Hill was heavily residential > and quote all your numbers why can the numbers not > be known for the above to draw some kind of > comparison. > > It could be people may not be on the EDF so do not > put their views forward. > > As Champion Hill is closed that could be why there > is no traffic as to get down to Denmark Hill you > have to use the above roads. > > Was it not half term around the date of your > picture? > > Out of interest what was the traffic like at the > DKH/Grove Lane junction down to Denmark Hill? I didn't walk down there, I walked down Camberwell Grove. You did say that people on Grove Hill Road would "have the pleasure of the road closure", i.e. implying they would be suffering increased traffic - they're not. No, it wasn't half term, that was 18th-22nd February this year. If you want to know how many people are on these roads I'm sure you can work it out for yourself - but if they're not suffering increased traffic numbers are irrelevant anyway, aren't they?

Charles Notice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How many people/houses are there on Grove Hill > Road, Bromar Road, Pytchley Road, Quorn Road, > Malfort Road, Ivanhoe Road together with all the > flats on to the the DKH estate that now have the > pleasure of the road closure? Why would there be any increase in traffic on Bromar or Grove Hill Roads? The only place they can get you is onto Champion Hill going east, which is now redundant. The closure should, in fact, lower traffic levels on these roads as they can no longer be used as a ratrun through to Denmark Hill, and indeed the couple of times a week I ride up there on a weekday morning peak it has. Furthermore, living very close to Ivanhoe/Pytchley/Quorn I have noticed no increase in traffic whatsoever, and I walk/cycle them most days. Funny, there have been a lot of complaints on this thread from people complaining that they'll have to take longer/slower journeys now their little ratrun has been closed, and purporting concern for residents in these roads, but I don't recall a single person from any of these roads complaining that they've experienced any rise in traffic level. Why would that be, I wonder? As it happens, I was walking to hospital recently and was so struck by the lack of traffic on Grove Hill Road (where previously the queues in the AM rush hour from the lights stretched well back over the zebra and beyond due to ratrunners heading for Champion Hill) that I took a snap of it. This was taken at 8.29 AM on Tuesday February 12th. Not exactly Carmageddon, is it? Rather nice for Grove Hill residents, I should think, and the primary school.

zerkalo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree, Cycle Confident training courses are > brilliant and free. I say that as someone who was > very reluctant to take up cycling in London to > begin with. I'm very glad I did. If only there > were also bike maintenance courses on offer that > would be great (anyone knows of any in the local > area?). Cycle Confident do courses but not in Southwark. However they do them in Lambeth and Westminster and you can go (?18) if you work in those boroughs. Alternatively Evans Cycles do a one-hour course for ?15, think it's on a couple of Wednesdays a month - book online or ask in store.

James Barber Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Champion Hill has 922 adults on the electoral roll > in 453 homes. > So with children and people not on the electoral > roll likely to be 1,200 people. Not that it matters - either way it's clearly massively residential! - but I reckon that's probably an underestimate, with 700 students in the halls; in my experience most students remain on the electoral roll in their family area. Do you know (just out of curiosity) how many on the electoral roll are from the halls?

rupert james Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > With regard to the bollards can you please tell > when they were erected? No idea except it was at some time between 2006 and 2016 when I lived there - more towards the 2006 end. I remember having to work in the library for a week because of the noise building the new junction with Denmark Hill. Peter W may remember better. ETA I've just found a fabulous tool in Google Streetview that allows one to go back and see all available dates, so I can tell you they weren't there in 2008 but they were there in 2014, so I'd guess somewhere around 2010.

rupert james Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Residents were against it. If you mean residents of the street, no they weren't, responses to the consultation were a majority in favour. > Before the bollards there was never ever a > problem Yes there was, I lived there then and people used to drive down the street at speeds of 40mph+. I saw/heard a large number of accidents, especially at the Denmark Hill end, caused by drivers tearing down towards the junction and going too fast for the bend. > When did Champion Hill become one of the most > residential street in South Southwark It has Ruskin Court (15 flats) Ruskin Park House (241 flats), the Champion Hill estate (don't know how many flats but can't be fewer than 150), the Langford Green estate (45 houses and flats), the Kings College halls of residence (700 students). Assuming (surely an underestimate) an occupancy of two per house/flat, plus the students, that makes around 1800 people dwelling on that road. Just how residential do you want?

seenbeen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'Architecturally lovely'...the view from my back > garden says otherwise... Largely architecturally lovely!

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Here's a radical suggestion, rather than witter on > about dangerous cyclists, and micro-chipping them > and their bikes, go and get some cycle training. > This is aimed both at cyclists and dare I say > professional drivers. Would be good to hear from > some of the latter who have done this. > https://www.cycleconfident.com/sponsors/southwark/ Mrs H did it when she got back into cycling after twenty years (and ten years of me nagging) and it did wonders for her; it turned her from someone who would only ride offroad or on cyclepaths to someone who now happily cycles right round the Place de la Bastille (and if you can ride round there you can ride anywhere). It also, not coincidentally, has made her a brilliantly considerate driver around cyclists.

exdulwicher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Remember this one: > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi > re-40134629 > > Pretty clear cut case of driving without due care > & attention (maybe even dangerous driving), > injuries caused - no prosecution. "Just an > accident". Oopsy. How about driving with three defective tyres, skidding on black ice and killing four cyclists, ?160 fine and six points on his licence: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5241798.stm I've long said that if you want to murder someone in this country, don't bother hatching an intricate plot, just wait until they're on a bicycle and then hit them with a car, it'll cost you a week's wages at most.

We live in an architecturally lovely, generally peaceful, very rich area of one of the world's greatest cities with wonderful parks, fabulous restaurants and shops and other amenities within walking distance. We have three train stations in easy reach from whence one can reach central London in less than a quarter of an hour. We have a multiplicity of bus services. Private car use is ruining London, making it ugly through the congestion, noise and the aggression and misery it causes and literally killing Londoners from pollution. I'm as up for a moan as the next man, but by God, we are luckier and more privileged than a good 95% of the rest of the population on this earth. A little perspective, please. How did our forebears manage, even in our grandparents' generation (for me that's those who were in their twenties in the 1930s and 40s) when private cars were the privilege of the very wealthy? They walked, cycled, took buses and trains, and as far as I can ascertain were far less miserable and whingy about things than we are today.

Lucyalexandra Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It was utter chaos just now as we made our way > through it - 6pm Saturday. While the junction > layout is a bit of a mess this must be some kind > of spillover from something else? Never seen > anything like it and we have lived here 8 years. We came through at the same time - there must have been an incident/accident on the South Circular, the police had closed the road in both directions from the College Road Junction going east, so all South Circular traffic was diverting through the village. It was indeed chaos, not helped by those people who think that leaning on the horn is in any way going to resolve matters...

jimlad48 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I would look for a mandatory cycling test, in same > way as driving test is mandatory - and L plates > too for those that have yet to pass it. The driving test is mandatory because cars are extremely dangerous, frequently lethal, machines if not handled responsibly and with a modicum of expertise (not that one would think that's required, from empirical observation). Bicycles do not, except in exceptionally rare and tragic incidents, pose anything like the same danger. A bicycle is extremely simple to ride and so doesn't require an ability assessment in the same way car driving does (I don't deny some people ride bicycles irresponsibly or even illegally, but few ride them badly - bloody hell, even I'm quite good at it). You might say that having to pass a test would make cyclists more aware of the rules of the road; please go out and stand by any busy road around here and watch the behaviour of car drivers, all of whom have passed a driving test, and come back and tell me that passing a test is in any way a guarantor of sensible behaviour on the roads. The substantial majority of cyclists (85%) already have driving licences anyway, so have undergone tests of the same requirements of theory and awareness. > I would also look for mandatory cyclist > registration number on bikes to enable easy > identification of cyclists who break the Highway > code. I think this may make the attitudes more > accountable. Where are you going to put registration plates large enough to be seen on a bicycle? That's just silly. > > Said as someone who within the last week has been > threatened with a beating up by a cyclist for > politely asking them to ride on the road, not the > pavement. I was threatened with being beaten up two weeks ago on Rye Lane because I politely suggested to someone that they could put their MacDonald's carton in the bin rather than throwing it into the gutter. Should we have compulsory registration for pedestrians, or fast food consumers? Twats is twats, walking, on bikes, in cars...but somehow many people seem to think it's OK to hold cyclists to a higher standard of accountability than any other section of the community. Fortunately however much you and the rest of the cycle-hating brigade demand it, it's never going to happen. Go and look at the numbers of people KSI by car drivers as opposed to cyclists, then have a look at the numbers of people killed by pollution-related diseases, and have a think about whether a silly campaign to put numberplates on bicycles is really the most important issue related to road use in this country right now.