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malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > (note, yes I did see a guy on a penny farthing, > breaches, tweed jacket and cap) Jacob Rees-Mogg out for a shopping trip? ;-) I know who you mean, I've seen him before and he's a regular at Herne Hill velodrome every time they have a vintage cycling fayre or penny farthing race.

seenbeen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Look at the timer at the top- it takes 6 minutes > for the particles to settle.... > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-coughing- > spread-covid-19-grocery-store-researchers/ That report is a bit like the "study" with cyclists and runners (linked earlier in this thread) and how they leave plumes of aerosol in their wake. Some unverified / unreviewed theories, some nice modelling (everything looks good with some shiny graphics) and some interesting ideas but the ultimate conclusion from that (if it is vaguely accurate) is simply to shut EVERYTHING. No supermarkets, no shopping of any kind, everyone locked up 24/7 except for people who would come to your door and deliver a tray of food like the catering trolley on an airline. Going back to what Sally said, it's obvious that there's a balance to be struck here - such extreme measures are likely to do more harm than good in the long term. Personally, so long as social distancing is adhered to, I see no issue with cycling to work (if you're a key worker) or heading out for a spin around the park with the family just to get some fresh air. It does everyone good (especially kids), it's within the guidelines and it helps to minimise the issues from being inside 24/7. Even prisoners are allowed out for exercise!

I get the stay at home message, I agree with it. BUT: 1) that's not the point of this thread - it's to help/advise/encourage/support people who are perhaps getting back into cycling or realising that it's an option to get to/from their key job. There are also millions of people out there with gym memberhips or who went to spin/dance classes, yoga, swimming or whatever who now don't have those options and need another form of exercise. There's a limit to how much you can jump up and down to Joe Wicks in your living room and it is recognised that exercise is vitally important for physical and mental health, boosts your immune system (important for fighting off infections) and so that's allowed, obviously under caveats like you're not driving off to Wales for a hill walk or cycling to Brighton and back. 2) shouting the stay at home message is beginning to lead to even further anxiety and it's actually led to some serious verbal assault on cyclists in Regent's Park from people who've decided that their interpretation of the rules is the one they will choose to enforce on everyone else. https://wavelengthmag.com/corona-public-shaming/ That references the situation in Brockwell Park amongst others. Yes, stay at home if you can. But if you're going out for one of the reasons listed then YES, that's allowed and hey, here's a great thread to help and support you in cycling that journey!

mako Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It might be a 'nice line' but unfortunately it is > not true. If being nice includes needlessly > transmitting the virus (because the guidelines say > I can even if the message is so clearly 'STAY AT > HOME'}, then we certainly will not all be okay. Firstly, the paper you linked to on the previous page - that's gone viral (sorry...) but its important to note that it's not a "study" or a peer-reviwed science paper or even a validated theory, it's all been done using some (admittedly quite nice) fluid dynamics models. There's a more detailed look at it here: https://www.bicycling.com/news/a32097735/coronavirus-viral-simulation/ (I'm not saying it's not got some interesting ideas and obviously the further apart you stay from people the better but don't take it as gospel). And the point of this thread was to help and encourage people new to cycle commuting - potentially key workers trying to get to/from work without using what is left of the public transport system - and it's been taken off topic several times including the standard and wholly unneccesary digs at "cycling/cyclists" in general. With the roads far quieter than normal and as a way of avoiding crowded pulic transport, cycling and walking are the best ways for key workers to get to and from their place of work at the moment, it's allowed by law and guidance so yeah, I'm going with the "be nice, don't be a ****" approach all round. Just bear in mind that the rider you're seeing go up that hill is very unlikely to be someone out for 100 miles in the sunshine and far more likely to be a nurse or doctor or delivery driver going to or from their shift. Great work with the info you've posted @Sally Eva

Roxy Rimmer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > does anyone know if any bike shops are still open? > I understand they can be... Brixton Cycles are open. Up in town, Look Mum No Hands has the workshop open but the cafe closed (completely closed, not even doing taekaways). The Evans down at Goose Green is closed. They're owned (indirectly) by Sports Direct who initially said they'd be keeping everything open and then had to go back on that following something of a backlash on social media. But that was before the advice about bike shops so they might try and open some of the Evans stores up again. Some shops are offering discount / free servicing for key workers and selling basic spares (ie no customers in the shop for browsing). I think if you need your bike repairing or need an part urgently so you can keep riding to work as a key worker, that's fine - if you're going in to look at the latest shiny things, that's not fine!

Ah, Rummikub! (8/106) x (8/106) x (8/106) There's an 8 in 106 chance of drawing the same numbered tile (you can sort of play around with the % a bit if 1 person draws first from a pool of 106 then the second person draws from the remaining pool of 105 but that's just getting OTT, we'll assume you're both reaching in at exactly the same time). To both draw a Joker would be a 2/106 chance. The Jokers complicate things a tiny bit further but not enough to really mess with that ballpark figure, technically it's an 8 in 104 chance of drawing the same numbered tile PLUS a 2 in 106 chance of drawing a Joker but for rough estimate and easier maths purposes... Each draw is independent of the previous / next (again, you can complicate it if the tile is placed back and you can see it / remember it but we'll assume a blind draw). Multiply by 100 to give percentage and it's 0.04% chance. Roughly 1 in 2500 chance.

Wonder how many of the people with 36 eggs, 6kg of flour and 8 bags of pasta are sitting at home going "I don't know what to have for tea tonight, shall we just get a takeaway?" Selfish ignorant lot.

Alec1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > this evening there were no loo rolls, no fresh > meat other than expensive cuts. No bread. Barely > any milk, no butter, no bananas, biscuits pretty > much gone. No rice, no pasta. I feel immense > sadness for all those who can?t bulk buy, or who > can only buy when their money comes through. What > angered me was finding several packs of meat > dumped on a dry foods shelf by someone who > couldn?t be bothered to put them back in the > chiller. No way of knowing how long they?d been > there. On a normal day, that would be wasteful, > on a day when there?s nothing on the shelves > that?s..... I have no polite words. I used to work there - just 6 months shelfstacking when I was doing my A-levels to earn some gap year money - but belive me that behaviour isn't far off normal a lot of the time. Had the misfortune of working one Christmas Eve and the situation was very similar. Freezers stripped bare, random crap left on shelves where people had decided they didn't want it, fights breaking out over the last scrawny bit of turkey. And that was with the shop knowing what demand would be like. It was chaos - almost like no-one had realised that it was Christmas but also people seemingly completely unable to plan. The shop was only going to be closed on Christmas Day, re-opening 9am Boxing Day but people were buying 40 pints of milk... And screaming at staff to bring out more stock, arguing with each other over the last couple of loaves of bread... Then on Boxing Day, same again, queues of people stampeding into the shop. Most people don't realise how finely balanced the supply chain is a lot of the time. One tiny disruption anywhere and you can screw things for the next 36hrs until it all slots back into place. I'd go local - it might mean a bit more wandering round shops along Lordship Lane but it also means you're supporting the community - as A J Farmer posted above ^^. Their supply chains tend to be a bit more robust too - little and often as they don't have the cashflow or storage space to be buying in massive bulk so re-stocks are more regular.

singalto Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I needed cat food so popped into Sainsburys DKH. I > was surprised to see that it wasn?t just pasta, > rice and loo rolls that had disappeared from the > shelves but also cat food and litter, toothpaste > and sanitary products! Weird... Worst case scenario, cat food is suitable for human consumption. I doubt that Whiskas Risotto is going to be a thing anytime soon but y'know, if you can't get any pasta...

Parkerstone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dear all ED residents. > Be aware that Dulwich park parking is no longer > free. > I am very angry with this. My wife cannot take our > 3 childeren to the park anymore. We are aware - there's at least another two threads on the subject... /forum/read.php?5,2085194 /forum/read.php?5,2011302 And as a point of pedantry, the park is still free. I walked through it only yesterday and did not pay anything! You just have to pay if you want to park your car in it.

Parents are often delighted to have their children drive to school, it means they don't have to drive them! Tackling that is going to involve several factors: 1) Healthy Streets / CPZ etc by the council which makes it more difficult and/or more expensive for children to drive themselves to school. 2) Schools themselves - either via policy or perhaps going the other way like incentivising "other" travel. The problem here is that schools actively try to avoid doing anything outside the school gates - they'll say it's not their responsibility, it can't be enforced, etc. 3) Parents and children - the only real way through here is make driving to school socially unacceptable in the way that (say) drink driving is now unacceptable. That'll be a decade of work though, in spite of Greta Thunberg's efforts. With (3), it's very much "not their problem". It's not their roads being clogged up, not their streets being used for parking so they don't really care. They've packed their child off to school, job done. We're back at the point that they'd love fewer cars provided that their child can still drive to school and park unrestricted.

rupert james Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Southwark want cars off the road. That is their > aim. That's not really the worst aim in the world. I feel your comment is a bit over-dramatic - they don't want (and they'd never get) all cars off the road altogether, they just want fewer cars and especially fewer short journeys, the 1-mile drop the child at school / the "I'll just nip to the shops quickly" drive. I mentioned it a few pages back and others have said similar. Fewer cars is a good thing. If you use a car daily and *need* to use one then fewer cars means your journey will be smoother and less time stuck in traffic. If you walk or cycle, fewer cars means a safer and more pleasant environment. If you get the bus, fewer cars means the bus has less time stuck in traffic and so more reliable bus journeys. If you live in/around the village, fewer cars means a quieter street, less pollution, easier for your kids to play outside, easier parking for you. If you own a shop or business in the village, fewer cars means easier travel and parking for those customers that do need to use a vehicle to get to you. The problem is that most people want fewer cars - provided it's not THEIR car. Everyone thinks that the neighbourhood should be green and peaceful, provided that THEY don't have to change anything about THEIR life. Everyone else's children should walk/get the bus but THEY have to drop their little darling right at the school gates because..... It's going to require some changes to the established way of life. You can still drive your car but it might be more efficient/quicker to walk, cycle, scooter, bus your journey instead. That's the aim - it's been done hundreds of times in towns and cities across the world, it does work (including up in town with Congestion Charge and now ULEZ plus things like the closing of Bank Junction to everything except buses and bikes). It also requires some buy-in and some "nudging" in the right direction. Someone mentioned a couple of pages ago about Southwark "leading people to where they want them to be" and asking why common sense can't be used instead. Well common sense clearly hasn't worked - if it had, people would not be sitting for 20 minutes in traffic to travel quarter of a mile along Calton Avenue because common sense would have kicked in and they'd have realised that you can walk that distance in half the time. If you currently drive that because cycling / walking feels dangerous because of the sheer number of cars (catch-22 right there), then reducing that number enables you to walk or cycle more safely. Cycling around town is quite nice at the moment. Maybe we need more viruses to change people's way of life... Save a fortune on infrastructure...

Sqiggles Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Southwark needs to go back to the drawing board to find a less fundamental proposal > that has the full support of the community. I think this thread has demonstrated that no proposal will have full support from anyone. Can't leave it as it is - it's not really working well for anyone. Can't change it back to how it was, that was no better. Legally, it has to push people towards more active travel options (and public transport is absolutely part of that). That's in spite of today's Budget continuing the decade-long freeze on fuel duty (yay, keep driving cheap, more people drive!) and announcing billions of pounds more for road schemes. But yeah, whatever happens, not everyone will be happy.

It's getting pasta joke now. ;-)

People are being urged not to panic buy pasta based on the actions of a fusilli individuals. ;-)

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are the council allowed to do reinvest money > raised from that to other services - I thought > they were, by law, only allowed to spend money > raised from parking charges back on road > infrastructure? Yes and no. All income from parking charges and penalties has to be invested locally rather than going to central government or becoming a profit. Doesn't say it has to be invested in roads.

They very frequently do. Otherwise people just use them as a dumping ground to park their car (and you can imagine Melbourne Grove, with its proximity to ED station being used for exactly that purpose). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_end_(street) Some interesting plus/minus points on their use in traffic management here while noting that, as living areas, people prefer them to living on a through road.

bobbsy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And the 5mph also applies to bicycles travelling > around the park...few people if any stick to that. Speed limits do not apply to bicycles because speed limits listed in the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and also Rule 124 of the Highway Code relate to motor vehicles and not to bicycles. There are one or two exceoptions - some of the Royal Parks have tried, with extremely limited success, to apply them to bikes and there's been maybe 2 or 3 high profile prosecution attempts in Richmond Park (where speeds of 40mph can be had on the long descent to Roehampton Gate). Also, 5mph on a bike is far too slow, the cyclist will find it very difficult to balance at tat speed leading to wobbling and veering - which is more dangerous that just riding along at 10mph - the speed of a fast runner or a trotting horse. There are kids on skateboards and scooters doing more than 5mph too!

goldilocks Wrote: > In terms of the 50% stat - its not clear whether > it was on specific roads or on an area wide basis > - regardless of this just walking through Dulwich > village at peak times and using your eyes makes it > pretty clear that there is more traffic on the > roads than the roads have capacity for, so unless > your proposal is to build a flyover for Dulwich > then something needs to change. > There's info on it in the appendices to the consultation here: https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/our-healthy-streets/our-healthy-streets-dulwich Worth reading, although it does go into some detail - it's the kind of "sit down with a coffee and have a careful read" type stuff. As an addition to that, @Rockets was asking about cyclists using the DV junction. It's part of Quietway 7 (ignoring the current rebranding exercise around Cycle Superhighways / Quietways) and as the name suggests it's supposed to direct cyclists along quieter roads / back roads etc with lower traffic volumes to make it safer and more appealing for cyclists. The route takes cyclists across DV from Turney Road, up Calton to the JAGS junction, across to Greendale. Except that, from the council's own data on Calton Avenue, it is over-saturated, it's not "Quiet" at all. It's also quite narrow so it makes filtering very difficult for cyclists when it's jammed with vehicles. So cyclists don't use it - it's unpleasant and dangerous. The cycle traffic light sequences on DV junction are also out of sync - they've never been entirely right. Issues around one set going green and the next set red, cyclists getting green while pedestrians are still crossing, cycle lights going green but then dumping the rider in the middle of the junctions as the vehicle lights go green... Even the set at Townley / EDG (JAGS junction) only allow about 5 seconds head start although on the plus side the wands that got put in there do a good job and most traffic actually obeys the Advanced Stop Line markings. Assuming the rider is coming through the village heading north, the best way to access Greendale is through Dulwich Park, thread through Court Lane / Woodwarde / Townley and straight onto Greendale. Cuts out the DV junction and the snarled-up mess of Calton.

creditwheredue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I mentioned Melbourne Grove at the start of this > thread, selfishly maybe as it?s very close to > where I live. The southern section has a 90 > degree turn which is already a road rage > blackspot, as does Colwell Road thanks to the > council?s failure to paint double yellow lines on > the inside of the turn. Ridiculous when you see > them on the outside turn in Playfield/Lytcott > which caused no problem previously. Anyway, back > to Melbourne, the crossroads with EDG is already > hell, no-one knows who has right of way. An > increase of motorists looking to cut from Lordship > Lane to EDG to get off the main road, which is > human nature is going to block Melbourne unless > plans are made from the outset rather than > monitored and action taken as a result. One way, > back to the barrier across idea previously muted, > better get their thinking caps on quick. Anyone remember when the 37 bus used to go down Melbourne Grove? That was always entertaining, having two double decker buses trying to pass along there... I'd make Melbourne one way from East Dulwich Station towards EDG and put a mini-roundabout at the top (have to be a mini one cos the buses along EDG couldn't get round a proper one). Or smart traffic lights that prioritise green along EDG, only turning green for Melbourne when there's a couple of vehicles there. Contraflow cycle lane (EDG -> ED station direction), one-way vehicle traffic. And some actual proper measures to stop parking on that inside bend as nicely demonstrated by Google Stretview

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Such a package of measures should not be > implemented at all. It is obvious this is going to > cause huge problems for anyone living outside of > the car-free area. Nevermind just Melbourne Grove > - that traffic is going be funnelled all across > the remainder of East and West Dulwich. > > I wonder what any of the current local councillors > think of the proposals as this will impact their > constituents? They can't be oblivious to it. They're legally obliged to address it, it's part of declaring a Climate Emergency. https://www.southwark.gov.uk/news/2019/apr/southwark-council-declares-climate-change-emergency Mix of things like parking charges / CPZ, making walking/cycling/public transport easier and more accessible to more people and making driving more onerous to push people towards more sustainable transport options. Doing nothing is not an option - if they don't address it, they can be taken to court and fined a lot of our council tax money!

rupert james Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Exdulwicher, Many people have asked on the forum > are you a resident of East Dulwich and its > surrounds but you have never answered. > > You seem to have an agenda regarding all things > motorised and are never short of the answer to > people's postings. > > If you do not reside in the area why do you find > it necessary to keep replying and commenting on > what is a local residents problem. If it does not > affect you why do you keep commenting? > > Its appears to me that you could be a plant. > > Many people like me do not need a phone and the > cost to put a man on the moon. > > There are many people like me who do not need an > APP to live perhaps the young should appreciate > that. > > Please let us know where you really live and why > you find it necessary if you are not a local to > keep posting? > > If you do not live here how do you know what the > daily problems are? > > Not being rude just interested. Rupert, good morning. If you click on my name, you can view all my posts - you'll see I've been on this forum since 2015 although most of 2017/18 I wasn't very active at all on here. Literally the only thing you have on me not living in Dulwich is the forum name. I'd have thought most of my posts on local matters actually show I have a very good knowledge and first-hand experience of the area? When I registered on here in 2015, I had moved away - EDF was a way of keeping in touch with what was going on in the area I grew up in, went to school in (Alleyn's if you're interested which I'm sure makes me a pariah in some circles!), lived in for a while after university, moved away from (but visited regularly), moved back to... For fairly obvious reasons I'm not going to give an address but it's Area B on the Healthy Streets plan. I've lived here, travelled in/around/through the area by bicycle, car (the horror, I do own a car, it's not even ULEZ-compliant!), train and bus. I post a fair bit on transport issues because it is literally my job (although not for Southwark). It's a topic that greatly interests me and I've seen / experienced plenty of the issues that Southwark / East Dulwich are proposing now done elsewhere (to varying degrees of success!) in the country and indeed in Europe. I've never set out to offend anyone, I try and stick to transport facts and figures. Certainly not a plant either - I've been critical of Southwark Council at various times in the past on here. Hope that's all OK and explains it?

alice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why is TfL removing the digital timetable at bus > stops? it was easy to use, removed the need of > getting out your phone and fiddling with glasses > etc and was accessible to all. @alice : it's just refurbishment of the stops. There's a rolling programme of improvements, one of which is the introduction of better/more modern displays capable of showing more info. They're also sadly rather prone to vandalism so there's ongoing work to put shatterproof screens around them along with better security (CCTV, help points etc) at bus stops. They won't be gone permanently, TfL are NOT getting rid of them. Hope that helps.

rupert james Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just spent 35 minutes waiting for a non existent > P13 in the rain and sleet and with 8 other people > mostly OAP's > > Gave up and came home. > > I have not been able to do what I had to do by > bus. Wont happen again I will use my car. TfL's website and app both have live bus info. There's a good app called Bus Times London which is all London buses, all stop info, departures, live tracking and even little maps and arrows to show you which side of the road to go to. It's by a company called MapWay who do global transport apps for bus, metro, subway etc. My Mum uses it all the time - as a lone elderly woman she doesn't want to be waiting round ages. She knows exactly how long it takes her to walk to the 4 bus stops within easy distance of her house, so she just looks at the app, works out how long she's got and sets off. If the bus is late/cancelled for whatever reason, it'll show up and she's not wasting time at a stop in the cold and rain. Don't think she's ever waited more than about 2 minutes since she started using that app!

News from the plans to build Heathrow 3rd runway: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51658693 To be honest, that one was always doomed to failure; there's simply no way you can carry on building runways and flying while trying to hit net carbon zero. I'm sure that in spite of that, the Government will still manage to miss that target by a country mile anyway...