Doodlebug_Dee

^^ Toffee, I couldn?t agree with you more. The full breadth and depth of the propaganda machine so evident, with the extraordinary co-operation and collusion between bodies masquerading as independent. This has been so divisive. I accept the vote, but am horrified at the responses. Reading posts ? pitting the rich against the poor, the educated against the so-called non-educated, white against people of colour, London against the rest of the country and worst of all, young against the older generation. So, so many threads. Just from my own life experience being black and born and brought up in London. Stop giving these racist ignoramuses a platform. There are racist people everywhere, but when you throw around the accusations that all who voted to leave are racists is giving the real racist ignoramuses a platform. Growing up in East London, as a child, I was told to go back to where I came from?. Brick lane was plastered with swastikas. We stood up to this and look at Hoxton now. I?ve been called a N***** in ED about 9 years ago. Should I have left ED because of or feared this ignoramus? No. I still see the people he was with and they are well aware of my views as I told him where to stick his views and he took note. I remember during the London riots, some posters and their reference to black people ?crossing the border? into ED. Somewhat bigoted I thought but the view was tolerated by users. Other threads - if you hear racist language or abuse, don?t just get on your keyboard, tell the offenders to stop or report it to the police and let them deal with it. I know many people who voted to Leave for many reasons other than the pap that is being peddled in the media and I?m not going to tell them to stick their PhDs and MBAs and cease communication. What about my Jewish brothers and sisters and the rise in anti-semitism way before this vote. What about the attacks on my innocent asian brothers and sisters due to terrorism long before this vote. The far-right has seen a major surge since the terrorist attacks, not just in relation to the outcome of this vote. Sadiq Khan stated a few days ago in relation to anti-Semitism in this country, that we as a people need to ?tolerate? each other and each others faith. 'Tolerate' - a word with many negative synonyms. The tone and language has to change to aid solidarity. My mantra that I was brought up on and live by ? 'Respect yourself and respect each other'. My outlook is, if we respected ourselves more and respected each other more (respect each others differences), the world would be a better place. I write this with a heavy heart. I too no longer wish to be on this forum (short-lived I know). As I said, I accept the vote, but am truly horrified at the responses. But worry not, when you or your elderly parents or grandparent need help in the street, I shalt be trying to ascertain how you voted before I offer to help if in need of assistance. DD

Hi, Thank you Alan Medic, Blah Blah and rendelharris for your responses. Your responses reflect my globalised view on this debate. I posted in reaction to the video link and the messages from the Leave campaign. The rhetoric expressed from both sides seems to have transformed this debate to either, ?a two-fingered salute to Politicians - the establishment, big business and white-collar corruption? OR ?continuing to have a seat at the table to reform/transform the EU for the greater good?. My heart sank as I watched QT with David Cameron ? describing the electorate as ?confused? and ?baffled? by this debate. His views I thought played into the hands of the Leave campaign; his performance confused and baffled me! The polls have apparently now aligned with the Remain campaign and that has been reflected in the markets this morning. This is to be a very interesting few days/weeks/years ahead politically. Thanks again. DD

Hi, First-time poster. Can you help? I?ve very much enjoyed reading the comments from posters in this debate. At present I?m part of the undecided electorate regarding the EU referendum. I?ve rightly or wrongly chosen to ignore the poles at this time, as from the 70+ people I?ve been discussing/debating with, have not been approached by pollsters to contribute. I have debated with my peers et al, endeavoured to research, follow the financial markets as much as possible to make an informed decision as to which way to vote, as this vote will have an impact that shapes my fellow wo(man) for generations to come. I found this link (if you have an hour to spare) crowd funded for the Leave campaign and am very much interested in your thoughts. ALSO, Reading comments to articles in the media ? this from The Independent? Think the EU is good for Britain? Read this... ? Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant. ? Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant. ? Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds. ? Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant. ? British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. ? Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan. ? Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200. ? M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan. ? Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants. ? Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant. ? Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant. ? Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant. ? Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding. ? Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing. ? ICI integration into Holland?s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs. ? Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of ?80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase. ? JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with ?20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down, leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry. ? UK airports are owned by a Spanish company. ? Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company. ? Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies. ? The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online. ? Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada. ? 39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU. ? The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. ? The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently. Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing? Okay? Considering a lot of the British infrastructure has been sold off to foreign investors, what if there is a Leave vote; what impact do you think this will have on those services in the UK? Do you think this is all part of the vociferous scaremongering tactics that are being used on both sides, ?little-island? thinking or are there any elements of truth that need to be recognised and actioned upon? As mentioned, I?m concerned of the impact my vote has on my community and on the future of generations to come, here and globally. My background: 40, female, black, born in East London, living in East Dulwich for 10+ years Help? and thanks. DD