chrisb0702

Thanks Nigello, there seems to be a lot of mind reading and subsequent assumptions about my character which is I don?t think is particular fair but that?s the perils of posting on a forum. Just to clarify a few things: ? I asked for people?s opinion without abuse, I knew it was a topic that would divide the crowd but I originally tried to include as much detail without going overboard. ? We own a share of the freehold of the building, I didn?t state this to give 2 fingers to those who rent, was just stating fact to help garner opinion ? I put their nationality in there for no sinister or discriminatory reason. I don?t post on forums so was just an oversight of inexperience. I have no prejudices against nation, race etc and I find it quite galling that?s what people jump onto straight away * The flat they live in is not small, its over 2 floors, has a garden and 4 bedrooms. The noise is just located in what i assume is their living room and only occurs in the evening ? I never said the family were ?scummy? or insinuated anything of the sort. Only thing I mentioned was their unwillingness to consider the noise which is really the main frustration. If the shoe was on the other foot my and neighbour said I was making a noise that was disturbing them, whether in my control or not I would attempt to try and mitigate and be as civil as possible. ? The issue was the consistent level of noise and banging that would also make our walls shake that would continue from 7pm until 10pm. Wasn?t suggesting the child should be quite or tied down or whatever comments have come my way from 7. Just more was the consideration was its constant nature. I know kids are kids and stating as such my sympathises in OP ? Probably shouldn?t have said ?snowflake? comment but when you are being accused of snobbery, racism etc I just bit back. Probably shouldn?t but only human Anyways issue is now resolved. We spoke to the landlord who helped intervene and there is no significant banging. We never wanted any ill feeling, just mutual consideration from all parties (including us) to make sure we can all enjoy our properties and that seems to be the outcome. First and last time posting here. Thanks to all those that provided sensible responses. The venom that comes from others just seems so unnecessary especially when none of you know me. Anyways regardless hope every stays safe Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think you should all stop mind reading because, > well, it doesn't work! All I can see here is > people using what the OP said as a wagon for their > own virtues and prejudices. We have no idea why he > said they were Polish - perhaps it was because he > is a total xenophobe, or maybe it is because he > thought that their experiences abroad somehow > formed their style of child raising. (We are > always told that we mustrecognise and celebrate > the diverse nature of people so it follows there > must be diverse ways of raising children.) > > PS Chris could also be a woman, so all those folk > who are thinking I am demonstrating anti-female > and/or anti-gay bias, don't.

No malice intended or snobbery at all. Happily admit was wrong to state nationality and apologise for any offence but was really stating facts about us owning and they were renting as it?s was important to gauge opinion from those who provided sensible contributions today. Snowflakes out in force tonight Whoeveritis Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can?t believe anyone would complain about a > small child , you know it won?t last forever . Is > it really worth creating bad feelings? Your > snobbery is clear as day right there, you own , > they rent , and they are foreign. Get a grip or > move.

Agreed but there was no malice intended in stating their nationality and I apologise if anyone has taken offence to that as it has no bearing on the situation. However if you read my post correctly I know it?s the toddler because they admitted as such and are you suggesting earplugs in the evening? lucky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I sympathised having had upsetting neighbours > before which, resulted in us having to sell our > conversion flat when our child was 8 months to > move to another property. However, I don?t see why > you are disclosing the nationality of your > neighbours and also, how do you know is the > toddler making the noise and not any of the other > children? > I used to have to put on ear plugs when I was in > the same situation.

i had some Xmas brownies from my aunt arrive yesterday that were sent on the 15th Dec. Shame as they were rock hard now

So I?m sure this will divide the forum but just wanted to seek out your opinions. We own a 1st floor flat in a converted house with neighbours above and below who are both renters. We own a share of the freehold so do have contact with the owners. Whilst the walls are reasonably thin like in most conversions we don?t tend to have wider noise issues, particularly with the upstairs flat which is pretty harmonious. However the problem currently lies with the neighbours below on the ground floor who are a family with 3 boys, 2 late teenagers and one toddler who I think is around 2 years old. During the day when I?m working from home I don?t really hear a single thing from them but from 7pm to around 10pm the young toddler is running and jumping around like a manic which whilst noisy also causes the walls to shake. I?d say this has been going on now for a good 5-6 months and is hugely disruptive to our evenings. My partner is a doctor and as you can imagine in the current climate is exhausted when she comes home and we cant even watch the tv at 9pm without constant crashing and banging. Our frustrations finally came to a head last night when we knocked on the door and politely, and I do mean politely, explained our situation and the disruption it was causing thinking maybe they were unaware of the impact. The response was a bit galling in my opinion, we were met with ?what am I meant to do, he?s a child?. Now I know it?s difficult with young children and I do sympathise but personally I don?t think toddlers should be awake and that active past 8pm at night. Whilst you can?t tell people how to bring up their child when we pushed them further they said they are struggling to get him to sleep and whilst they would love him to be in bed at 7pm they can?t do anything about it and he would be starting nursery in September so he would likely be in a better routine by then. I guess my frustrations here lie with the fact that they acknowledge their child is making noise but essentially they are not willing to do anything about it and given we?ve already had 5-6 months of this we are expected to tolerate it even longer until September when they can be bothered to try get him to adhere to what I would say is a normal toddler sleeping pattern because then it suits them. not asking for him to be put to bed at 7 but just some consideration to the banging (which also makes the walls shake) non stop for 3 hours until 10pm every night. As I said I fully expect this to divide the crowd but would be interested to hear your guys sensible and polite (I?m not looking for an online argument as well lol!!) thoughts of what we can do next. Are we in the wrong here, i don;t think so but lets see. Thanks!!