Kingy

Another Saturday Night - Sam Cook (strange but I have every song listed onthis page as a 45rpm)

Stupid Cupid - Connie Francis

'Shove it up your arse' - Rosie H

Boy's Dont Cry - The Cure

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Might be a good time and place to plug your latest > CD though, Kingy - don't let this marketing > opportunity slip away. Well I would but I'm in the process of mastering it into British Telecom's 1970's Dial-A-Disc format for optimum sound quality

i tried that but it was COPY PROTECTED

Well Bob that is an exaggeration, the audience consists of just me and the landlord - but did she burn the c.d. ? (cue theme from Dragnet)

I think what we all really want to know is 'Did she burn the C.D ?' (cue theme from Dragnet)

and what is implied by my posting the word 'thievery' ? - it was meant as a suggestion not to do it as it is illegal (I think only KK recognised this) - i did not call her a thief - but she chose to believe that I had (wrongly) and proceed to tell me to stick somethng or other up my arse, someone else joined in and told me i don't know my arse from my elbow now if anyone had suggested either of these things to me in the local boozer they would now be the recipient of the Glasgow Kiss. neither did i suggest that she belived she had any moral rights - but somehow she managed to deduce these things and be offensive in the doing so

She fricking started it

Dear Rosie H it would be nice if you actually read what is written - I did not call you a thief and I did not say that YOU believed you had a moral right to this I said that if Sean McG believed you had a moral right to this - so I can think of a place for you to park your bike as well, there's plenty of room, all the shit comes out in your posts

And Rosie H you are effing stoopid - you can read the fricking cd - it say's copy protected - you know it's 'wrong' to copy it but you try to justify it saying you've paid for it twice - you haven't paid for it at all - you've paid for the right to listn to it in the presribed manner - it's easy to be pompous when you're in the right - why don't you just take your copy protected cd and shove it up your own arse

Anyone care to defend identify theft ?

You are missing several points Mr MacGabhann - I have several 'burnt' copies of bootleg cd's, live and rare stuff unavailable through commercial means - I have never said I don't - most o fwhich have been given to me by band members themselves - I have several compilation cd's of material that is used to send to other musicians to learn tunes (which may or not be regarded as educational) - I know what I am doing in possessing these things and I do not wish to turn a blind eye to that. The main point is that the Copyright holder of a work (the artist or record company) has a right to decide in what format he wants that work released. The buyer of the work (c.d. in this case) does not own the work, he has been granted a licence with terms and conditions attached to listen to that work. The buyer owns the physical plastic of the c.d but he does not 'own' the music, nor does he own any of the rights that the copyright holder of the work holds. If the buyer wants to change the format of a copyright protected c.d then he has no right to do so - if he goes ahead and does it anyway then he has assumed the copyright, ie he has taken something which isn't his (yes I know it's not a physical something but ....) Call it wall you will but if you take something that isn't yours to take, be it a physical object or an assigned right to alter the format of a musical work then it is thievery. If you but a copy protected c.d. you can be under no illusion that the copyright holder allows you to copy it or to change the format of it. It doesn't matter how many copies of it you buy, you cannot legally assign yourself the right to alter the format and thereby assume the rights of the copyright holder. You do not own the music. If you are indulging in these activities, and you may believe (as in RosieH's case) that she has a moral right to do so then don't behind the dressing up of the language and try to convince yourself that you are doing nothing wrong - at the very least you are breaking the terms of the licensing agreement without the other party's knowledge and thereby leading yourself open to accusations of defrauding them, at worst inviting others to join you can be perceived as conspiracy to defraud

Last Night A DJ Saved My Life - Indeep (should that have been JD instead ?)

6.1 Commercially produced audio and video materials Unauthorised copying of commercially produced audio or video materials is generally not allowed. Some publishers give blanket permission for making copies within a non-commercial educational environment, and others sell licences that permit copies to be made for students' use, but making copies of commercially produced audio and video materials and passing them on to third parties normally constitutes a serious infringement of copyright. Even transferring audio and video materials from one format to another may not be permitted, e.g. from cassette to CD-ROM or DVD, or into MP3 or MGP format so that the materials can be played on a PC. Some publishers are, however, becoming more liberal in this respect. This is the actual wording on the packaging of a recently produced set of audio CDs: This set of CDs is for your individual use only. You are legally entitled to rip/copy the content of these CDs to your own PC hard drive and/or MP3 player. Please note that it is illegal to: * make copies of these CDs; * rip/copy the content of these CDs to PC hard drives and/or MP3 players owned by others. Look at the terms and conditions on the packaging of purchased audio or video materials or in accompanying documentation. If the terms and conditions do not state explicitly that you are allowed to transfer recordings from one medium to another then you must apply for permission to do so from the publisher. It seems fairly evident that the assigned right to rip/copy the content of the cd's referred to above have not been assigned to Rosie H'S CD as it is Copy Protected And ROSIE H - Kindly get your facts right - I did not call you a thief - I commented that the act of copying files off Copy protected cd's in the way described by DJKilla Queen was thievery - which it is (FACT) it is breach of copyright which is intellectual property theft - like it or not. I don't tend to make a habit of judging other people, I don't begin to understand the things people have to do to get themselves through life and from one day to the next, usually as a result of the laws being such an ass. Later I commented that such acts are killing music (OPINION) Go ahead - do it - I won't tell on you - you probably have the moral right to do so, having 'paid twice' but I do not believe you have the 'legal' right to do so, and if singled out you would have to prove that such an act was 'fair use' which would cost you a great deal of time and money, especially as such an act is not defined under the existing 'fair use' terms. Word of warning to others - Offering advice and open discussion of illegal activity can lead yourself open to accusations of conspiracy which carry far greater implications and punishments than those of the illegal activity itself

The copyright owner owns the right to copy it and owns the intellectual property contained therein - copying it without permission is breach of copyright - breach of copyright is defined as intellectual property theft QED I don't make the rules, neither did I start trading the insults - copying a cd for yourself does not come under the definition of fair use unless it is for educational or research purposes. In a court of law the onus would be on the perpetrator to prove fair use - yes the law is probably an ass in this case, it can't keep up with the technologies Neither did I define breach of copyright as intellectual property theft - it just is - that is what it is - like it or not - that is the legal definition

Breach of Copyright IS theft of intellectual property

The FLICK YOU TOO was a direct response to being told to push something up my arse

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is an amendment to United States copyright law passed unanimously on May 14, 1998, which criminalizes the production and dissemination of technology that allows users to circumvent technical copy-restriction methods. Under the Act, circumvention of a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work is illegal if done with the primary intent of violating the rights of copyright holders. On 22 May 2001, the European Union passed the EU Copyright Directive, an implementation of the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty that addressed many of the same issues as the DMCA. Most Record Companies abandoned the use of DMC after Sony's system was found to be interfering with Windown PC systems The DMCA has been largely ineffective in protecting DRM systems, as software allowing users to circumvent DRM remains widely available. However, those who wish to preserve the DRM systems have attempted to use the Act to restrict the distribution and development of such software, as in the case of DeCSS. I don't make the laws - if you want to break them don't advertise it on a public forum, if you want to change the laws - go ahead and try

No - you insult me on a personal level - do it to my face - as far as the argument goes it may live on here to clarify - if you are going to insult me then i'm easy enough to find -- come and do it at a gig - to my face

Fancy a face to face over this ? Preferably in a boxing ring

you have basic consumer rights if you have bought it and it wasn't labelled correctly as copy protected, or rather you should have basic consumer rights to copy it for your own personal use - if it's labelled as copy protected then it's a gray area - perhaps the artist does not want the work to be be reproduced on crappy mp3 compressed quality and has such has a right for it not to be released in that format - personally I listen to vinyl at home, and cd's in the car I wouldn't bother with an mp3 or an i-pod - as it stands if it isn't labelled 'copy protected' then take it back - if it is labelled and you want to copy it you're gonna have to get a pressure group and try to change the law. The artist or record company has every right to copy protect their cd's as long as you are informed that they are copy protected - my own view is that it's not the copy protected cd's that are stupid but the people who want to listed to them on mp3 format - btw Rosie H apparently my arse is so full of crap it would be difficult to get a copy protected cd up there

AND FLICK YOU TOO - If you bought the damn thing and can't play it then take it back - if they've sold it to you copy protected then they don't want you to copy it - simple as that - any breach of the terms under which it was sold is thievery in my book - oh ! music sales are up are they ? is that why HMV is closing 30 shops, Virgin and Our Price are gone etc etc etc

A friend of mine took his secretary up the Oxo tower, his wife wasn't best pleased as she'd never been taken up the Oxo tower before