Reg Smeeton

This thread has been partially updated in March 2021. More updates will be needed. It's a snapshot of how Lordship Lane was 27 years ago, and what has happened since. (There are still several long-standing shops on LL, such as Chener Books, SMBS, Dulwich Tandoori, Bell's Kitchens, Dulwich DIY, AJ Farmer)

occasional edits to this as people add details below or correct mistakes

Key:

Today....[intermediate shops]....1994

PUBS

Bishop........ 'The Foresters Arms' (a sofa and armchair pub)

EDT ..... 'The East Dulwich Tavern' (rivalled the Magdala for LL's dodgiest customers - had a pool table)

Palmerston was 'The Lord Palmerston' (could get quite rowdy on Friday nights)

The Lordship...The Patch (lasted a year?)...The Mag....Magnolia .... The Magdala (in its later days, the late 1990s, it usually had about three customers and was a dingy place)

Plough ....The Plough (destination of the Number 12 bus), succumbed to misguided repackaging for a few years as 'Goose and Granite', so it was dropped as the bus destination which is why No.12 now says Dulwich Library.

BARS

Terroir..Toasted...Green & Blue .... Combined two stores(left side as viewed from the street had been Redgewells, before that Italian restaurant, right side was an empty shop formerly car parts)

House of Tippler....Liquorish...Camelot Travel

FOODIES

Franklins farm shop.....the Tyre shop

The Cheese Block .... was probably already the Cheese block

Next Door (fish restaurant)...Burro e Salvia....Speedo Pizza?

WINE

Oddbins...Nicolas....Earlier incarnation of Le Chandelier [or was it Melbourne Antiques?], sold antiques

Bottle Cave...Boss Man.... Unwins

Cave Bruno....Old Villa furnishing....Junction Emporium (old fireplaces)...???

BUTCHERS/BAKERS/FISH/VEG/DELI

Truly Scrumptious...Hirst....Place Bakeries

Boulangerie Jade...Luca's ....Finger Lick'n Chicken

William Rose ....Bespoke Windows....Lingerie shop...Pine furniture

Moxons.... Was this the seoncd Place Bakeries? There were two of them in the lower strip of LL

Franklins Farm Shop....Tyre shop until around 2005??

Mons....Mrs Robinson clothes boutique....Jerk Rock...something else

Arapina (No.52)...Pop up shop...Threshers...Victoria Wine

ESTATE AGENTS

Portico...(Raymond) Bushells

???....Daisylets...Target Arms (Antique military/firearms shop)

Haart ....Wates 2nd branch?...Woolwich Building Soc?/Employment Centre

Kinleigh (KFH)....???...Co-op?

Foxtons ... DSS building

Acorn (+ Property In)... ?

Ludlow Thompson ... ???

Pedder....previously called Wates....Wilson Rogers estate agents (Wates moved from the space that is now the extended section of Dulwich Carpets)

Co-op Funeral Care

Hindwood Hunter Payne....White Dent Estate Agents

Truepenny's...Your Move....Ladbrokes

???...Jacksons...Halifax...??

CAFES/RESTAURANTS

Spinach...Le Chandelier (cafe)..Le Chandelier (antiques)... Melbourne Antiques?

Kartulie(Georgian food)...Tart...Le Chardon .... Thistells restaurant

Signoria...Boulangerie/Sandwichs...Mon Petit Chou .... Binester Toys?

No.52 Cheese toasties...Sylvester...The French House...Boho??...Tivoli Amusement Arcade

Franco Manca...The Draft House...Black Cherry .... Smith's Greengrocer...

[Currently Empty]...Saucy...Curry Cabin

YamaMomo...Adventure Bar/cafe...Inside 72....Cheltenham & Gloucester

Oddono's....Sally's Florist

Meat Liqueur...The Sea Cow....Gente's Menswear

GBK .... Westons....Spaghetti Western

Franklins .... SE22 bar?

Maria's Tortilla...Swadesh...Coriander...short-lived Tapas restaurant...???

Firezza Pizza...Cafe Noodle ... Free Range, got a good Time Out review and then became a greasy spoon

Caffe Nero .... Edwardes Electrical suppliers

Olivelli...Mediterranean Restaurant (Koz??)...Dos Amigos....Cafe El Passo (sic)

Memsaab...Veer Zara...Pistachio Club....another Indian - Last Days of Raj (or something else earlier)

Dulwich Cafe...Starburger

Rajah Rowing Team....Bombay Bicycle...Curry in a hurry

Italian deli by library...Electrics shop (maybe wasn't called Plough electrics in those days)

500 Pizza...Empty...Jaflong....Tulip Cafe

???...Platform 1...Sorsi & Morsi...(SMBS Indian restaurant)....Chopsticks, was something else before

Dulwich Picturehouse (Cafe)....St Thomas More Hall (community; line-dancing classes etc)

Tandoori Nights....unchanged (but closed for a long time after fire 2019)

Dulwich Tandoori...unchanged

[No.42 empty]...As Nature Intended...Surma Curry House

Kanella (cafe)....Pop up shop...Soup Dragon - ?

OPTICIANS

Woodfall....Tanna's Pharmacy

Paine & Hunter...unchanged?

CLOTHES

White Stuff ... Walsh Glazing

Jojo Maman Bebe ....Maudsley CMHT

Shelter Boutique...Sugar (Goose Green Roundabout) A video rental shop, privately owned....Western Capital?

Iris Fashion...Question Air...Give and Take...Ralon stationers (with the infamous Indian owner)

Sweaty Betty....half of East Dulwich Deli...The second hand pram shop

Really Maria...the other half of East Dulwich Deli...see above.

GIFTS, NICK-NACKS ETC.

Marys Living & Giving...Moos....Mobile phone shop

Mrs Robinson .... was it still the second hand car place?

Empty [No.7 LL]...Green Cuisine ... Sandwich shop run by that friendly Chinese guy

Celestial .... Jewellers [Celestial was previously in Blackwater Road]

Rouiller White ... Guys'N'Dolls Beauty salon

Karavan .... had possibly just opened in 1994

Oliver Bonas....part of Walsh Glazing

Lilas jewellery...Callow Locksmiths (rent rise forced them to Melbourne Grove)...Granada TV shop

FOOD/SUPERMARKETS

Marks & Spencer....Iceland...Sainsbury Freezer Centre

Co-op....Somerfield....Gateway

Payless Food & Wine....

Organic Village....[Greek? delicatessen]

As Nature Intended...Surma Curry...unchanged

PHARMACY/CHEMIST

Superdrug...Empty...Londis...Budgens....7-Eleven

Sogim Pharmacy....Lush Designs...Kodak shop...Callow Locksmith??

Loyds North Cross

Vale Pharmacy...Care Chemist

Empty [115 LL].....Sogim pharmacy....Co-op pharmacy

OTHER

Aesthetics by Lauren Turner...Property In...Hey Diddle Diddle toys and clothes shop

Little Mynx...Bonnies flowers

Mrs Feelgoods...The Beauty Place..??

Bet Fred....Ludlow Thompson (previous location)...???

Lordship Flooring...Dulwich Carpets

Dulwich Barbers...[Photographer]....[Nurse agency] ....in 1994 it was an empty newsagent

Porters...Dulwich Village Residential...Was a cash converters previously, but before that it was The Institute of Engineers

St Christophers Hospice store...Filmnight...Apollo video rental .... A bed store, went with the bedding shop

Bloomers...Pink Frog design....Dry Cleaners

Solicitor? next to them....TV Repair shop

ESPH (physio gym)....a catering company making sandwiches

ADZ Dental Care...newsagent

Vape shop...Nina Christie...Callow Locks???

Headnizm...Piers Hairdressers

?????....Paulo's Hairdressers

Village Way hairdressers....unchanged since 94

Jazz's Barbers .... Fashion & Leisure (sports shop)

Mr Simms sweet shop...Jolie a Pied ....Sound & Vision, and before that Darrah Arts?...was this also Haart at some point???

Bet Fred.... ?sports and trainers shop (name was 'Fashion and Leisure' or something equally bland)

Just William....Osborne Stewart, estate who were involved in an infamous episode on the EDF...before them were?

PearSpring (house plants) [closed in 2020 then re-opened] - refurbishment of the dress shop Marie Claire(?) that had been closed for decades.

Vet...HSBC...Midland Bank

There was once a restaurant review that went as follows:

"Geographically, this restaurant is between Pratts Bottom and Elmers End. Gastronomically it is much the same."

I should probably qualify my OP. If this song were a share, I would buy it now. But I'd be planning to sell it in about two months time. It has the catchy get-under-the-skin qualities to make it a one-hit wonder, but the lyrics too repetitive to make it a long term classic. And using the word 'crazy' twice suggests he has a limited English vocabulary.

And, to revive an old forum question, why is there no South Dulwich?

Ricky Ponting

Alfred E. Neuman

Keef Wrote:

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> You got it spot on Reg.

>

> Gutted, would have liked to have seen Ramprakash,

> would have made a good story.

A bit like Tom Watson at this year's Open, fairytale stories don't always come true. Still, perversely now that England are firm underdogs maybe they have a chance.

Always do what the opposition least want you to do - which in this case means pick Ramprakash (the Oval atmosphere will be electric if they make this imaginative choice). Unfortunately Ashley Giles is one of the selectors and (a) Ramps slagged him off at the start of the season and (b) he's biased towards his Warwickshire boys, which means Bell and/or Trott is certain to play.

You won't have heard of this guy yet, but you will. I don't often spot a hit before it's released, but this one is going to be big.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufrj0pcyr8Q&feature=related

You might have already heard it on a BBC iplayer ad. There's an acoustic guitar version too.

Best ?10 I've ever lost.

Fantastic stuff. My strategy was to not listen to the coverage this morning to give England a chance to get some wickets, and it seems to have worked.

So now it's Australia versus Freddie's knee and Pietersen's Achilles. Game on.

Well my ?10 on Australia at 7:1 is now depressingly looking like it was a good bet - they're up to 5:2. It's one bet I'd really love to lose. At least I'll have something to drown my sorrows if the 'unthinkable' happens. (Sadly, for me it was always only too thinkable).

Reg Smeeton Wrote:

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> ?10 on Australia to win at Lord's at 7:1. Bookies

> are already writing Australia off, but this is the

> team that scored 670 just last weekend....England

> enforce follow-on, Australia score 450 in second

> innings, England crumble chasing 200 with Clarke

> and North spinning them to victory on a fifth day

> pitch. Alas it's only too plausible an outcome, 7

> to 1 seem like good odds.

The forecast is that we could lose as little as one hour or as much as five hours of today to rain. That makes Strauss' decision incredibly tough. My inclination would be to go in for 20 minutes, about five overs, and thrash, in the hope of putting on a quick 40 runs. If Philip Hughes has a bit of luck, Australia could easily be at 250 by close of play, but England have to take a small risk to have a decent chance of victory. Tomorrow's forecast is fine all day.

Strauss's fielding tactics this morning a complete mystery: Broad bowling short tosh and getting tonked, with no third man and a mid off. Inept. And no Flintoff.

However, given a lead of just 210, Strauss was absolutely right to enforce the follow-on. In these batsman friendly conditions, Australia could easily have been 60 for no wicket at lunch, and suddenly England would have begun to feel nervous. On top of that, with Broad looking extremely ordinary today, he needs time to regroup.

?10 on Australia to win at Lord's at 7:1. Bookies are already writing Australia off, but this is the team that scored 670 just last weekend....England enforce follow-on, Australia score 450 in second innings, England crumble chasing 200 with Clarke and North spinning them to victory on a fifth day pitch. Alas it's only too plausible an outcome, 7 to 1 seem like good odds.

Something rather samey about Anderson, Broad and Onions. And whenever Broad comes on to bowl, the scoring rate seems to pick up. It's about time he came to the party, as they say - a couple of wickets to lame pull shots isn't enough for me. The really bold move for Edgbaston would be Anderson, Harmison, and the unfairly sidelined Sidebottom. With Anderson batting at 9.

This is the kind of jolly thread that poppylucky used to start.

plimsoul Wrote:

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> that really annoyed

> me this morning as normally i would have jumped on

> the train and simply bought my travel card at

> London bridge.

...and London Bridge would then have fined you ?20 Plimsoul. At least, they fined me ?20 at the London Bridge booth the other day. I had jumped on the train because there was a 5 minute queue at the East Dulwich machine and the train was leaving in 2 minutes. I was told that unless tickets are not on sale at the original station, you have to pay the fine. Long queues are not an excuse, apparently.

Blimey people, over 18,000 views of this thread. Is this a record for the EDF? Actually a quick check says there are some old time threads in the Lounge still ahead of it:

19,700 "A joke"

19,900 "Quiet room"

But still way out there in front...

29,000 "Seen anyone famous in East Dulwich?"

An interesting reflection of local priorities.

It's been mentioned on here before, but the famous Morecambe & Wise stripper sketch opens with the line "and here's a request from Mr M. Allison of Crystal Palace Road". Doesn't help to explain the origin though...

To quote Wikipedia: "Early chiropractors believed that all disease was caused by interruptions in the flow of innate intelligence, a vital nervous energy or life force that represented God's presence in man; chiropractic leaders often invoked religious imagery and moral traditions." Doesn't sound like science to me. Quack Quack.

Anna, I think the main concern people have expressed is the lack of play area. As others have pointed out above, there's almost no playground, and the fields of Peckham Rye opposite will be out of bounds. They promise 4 hours of PE and sport per week, which is the boys being bussed out to Herne Hill. But there will surely be days when boys don't go out into the fresh air once between 8.30am and 3.30pm. I hope I'm wrong.

Want to know what the new boys academy (being built next to Friern Rd/Peckham Rye) will look like, inside and out? There's now a virtual tour complete with Sarah Beeny music here...

http://www.harrisdulwichboys.org.uk/information.asp?l=2&p=6

The school opens in just three months time, though from the blurb it looks like Langbourne Primary school (near Kingsdale) is going to be the temporary base with boys being shipped across by minibus from the Harris girls school each day. Anyone out there have a son starting in September? Can you tell us more?

An update on this case, Simon Singh has decided to appeal, which will raise the profile of the story considerably. The chiropractics are going to get lots of bad publicity out of this and might deeply regret resorting to litigation. I hope so. (Their alternative course of action was to publish some scientific evidence to back themselves up. If they have any of course).

Fair point MM, wasn't meaning to pass the buck here, and have phoned Southwark this morning, who passed me on to the Dulwich community wardens (telephone 7525 0036). They are going to get back to me on this.

By the way, I'm not sure what I've done to deserve to be addressed as "Rev".

Yours

Reg.

Marmora Man Wrote:

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> Rev,

>

> Don't pass the buck - ring, write or email

> Southwark and make your comment / complaint. I

> agree entirely with the thrust of your argument -

> but not the lack of action.

Yesterday evening a few children (in the age range 6 to 12) were happily playing on the pavements along Colwell Road. They had some pavement chalks and after producing a long, illustrated hopscotch grid they started a competition for who could produce the best pavement picture. Their artwork was really creative (flowers, mosaics etc).

A few minutes later one of them knocked on the door to report that two community officers had come along and told them to remove these pictures as they are "graffiti". The disconsolate kids borrowed buckets and brooms and scrubbed away all of their artwork.

It doesn't take much water to remove children's pavement chalk (indeed last night's rain would have been enough). But those children won't be engaging in that game again.

Dear community officers, if you happen to be reading this, then I hope you realise just how misguided your enforcement was in this pathetic little incident. Perhaps you thought you've just nipped in the bud some potential future criminals, but instead you've killed off some spontaneous creative street play, the like of which hasn't been seen on East Dulwich streets since the 1950s (or so some threads tell us).

Does anyone know what the law is regarding pavement chalk/hopscotch etc?

UPDATE AT 2.30pm

Rang the Community Wardens about this, they checked up and rang back. The situation seems to be that the law is vague - pavement chalking might be regarded as graffiti because it is writing on public land, even though it's temporary. But it's almost inconceivable that a child would even be cautioned for such a thing unless what they chalked was offensive. The wardens concerned won't challenge these children again (if they do, I'll be on the case immediately).

Now, where can I buy some chalk...?