Grove boy

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/24/the-europe-union-has-bigger-problems-to-deal-with-than-brexit

FreyaMikaelson Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Grove boy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > See, you're still frothing, So much harm? you > > sound like you've been brainwashed. > > > That's because they are brainwashed. > > If they seriously wanted to hear what leavers have > to say; what they think and want, they would have > turned up to Q&A events, held by > leavers/conservatives. Turning Point UK for > example, anyone? Didn't think so. Would have loved > to see those smug expressions wiped off of your > faces in a real debate... y'know, instead of > attacking DulwichFox? I mean... low blow. > > Cat, your posts have been a breath of fresh air on > this toxic thread. EDF needs more of you... less > of this filth. If they seriously wanted to hear what leavers have to say; They don't. They want to tell anyone willing to listen that they are wrong.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "It's kind of fun seeing the bile and ranting here > and elsewhere from remainers. How dare those pesky > thick racists piss on our chips!" > > this does seem to be the predominant emotion > amongst leavers - imagine doing so much harm for > such a petty reason See, you're still frothing, So much harm? you sound like you've been brainwashed.

That's it isn't it, the remainers still shouting the same old crap, prophecies of disater, dodgy Chicken (lol. If only people had listened to monied liberals,the guardian and the likes of Investment banker Gina Miller eh! It's been a joy to watch and listen to these types spout shit, lie, talk down to people and the eventual meltdown from their ivory towers. Pay your nannies, au pairs , builders the going rate from now on and weep. See ya!

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Happy brexit day everyone. It?s nice to finally > take back control. I?m going to crack open a nice > bottle of Chateauneuf du pape to celebrate. We > sure do make the bestest wine in the world. > > Louisa. Happy brexit day to you!

stepdown Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Grove boy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > You don't have an agenda? We voted out three > years > > ago yet you're still banging on. It's kind of > fun > > seeing the bile and ranting here and elsewhere > > from remainers. How dare those pesky thick > racists > > piss on our chips! > > If you're going to make up a straw man to argue > against, maybe don't quote the post you're > replying to? It makes it a bit too obvious you > haven't tried to respond to their actual point, > other than your excellent "I know you are, but > what am I?" rebuttal. What agenda do i have?

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ?maybe more neoliberalism, cheap labour, tearing > the fabric and traditions of it's members > countries? ? > > I mean you are hardly without an agenda here. And > you obviously see the eu as some root of these > things > > But if you think the eu is going to be LESS any of > those things in the coming years outside the eu, > you have a rude awakening ahead You don't have an agenda? We voted out three years ago yet you're still banging on. It's kind of fun seeing the bile and ranting here and elsewhere from remainers. How dare those pesky thick racists piss on our chips!

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As for the bogus claim ?this isn?t what we signed > up for > > > https://fullfact.org/europe/ask-full-fact-eu-then- > and-now/ > > (I love how people who claim they were lied to in > the 70s weren?t lied to now. Now, they are super > smart and in no way subject to misinformation. No > sireee. Also. They are all on the same page. So > never mind that leave reassured us we would NOT be > leaving the single market before the referendum. > Now we just have to accept. ?We knew what we voted > for? > > Sure ya did. All 17 million. All on the same > page. Sure What was the original purpose of the EEC? Was it this? https://www.tni.org/en/guarding-the-fortress Secondly where do you see the Eu in 5 years, still the same or maybe more neoliberalism, cheap labour, tearing the fabric and traditions of it's members countries? You keep ranting, moaning and being ignorant, you won the arguement,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What people voted for in the seventies was a pack of lies, the eu isn't what it started out to be, a fiscal union. All the -you didn't know what you voted mob-, did you know what you were voting for by opting to remain? What has the eu got in store for the future?

cella Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There will be no comfort politics wise for the > next 5 years judging by what Johnson has already > rushed to renege on. Closing this now redundant > thread is more about stopping the bore off by the > tiny ranty gang. I'm comforted by your concern > though. Have a little rest now over the > festivities and Im sure you'll be looking forward > to your Leaders treats for us all in the NY. > > Edited for clarity - most of this is intended for > the tiny gang! Nice rant!

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And so is Johnson kicking 21 MPs out of his party > for disagreeing with him a fact, so drop the > counter claim games Grove Boy, before someone > calls you a hypocrite ;) That would be a shock, a corbyn cultist name calling. That's all his crowd of middle class brats have done, point the finger,deflect any criticism onto the tories and scream racist at people, look where it got you. The tories had a plan whilst labour pointed out how naughty they thought the tories were, you are doing it now. The tories done it first argument is weak and it doesn't mean it was okay for labour to follow suit, student id politics at it's worst. God help anyone that disagree's with saint Corbyn and his cronies. https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18112219.labour-mp-lloyd-russell-moyle-calls-anti-corbyn-colleagues-c-ts/

Indeed it is, but we/they won the arguement,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Grove boy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > We are talking about labour here, what has that > > got to do with labours demolition? You can > counter > > claim all day long but it doesn't absolve nor > > solve labours failings. > > > What was that you were saying about counter > claims?... > > > diable rouge Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > And WTF does Johnson and all the other > > millionaires in the Tory party know about REAL > > lives? Keep doffing your cap and tugging your > > forelock to your masters... > > > Grove boy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > About as much as the millionaires behind > Corbyn, > > John Lansmann and Len Mcklusky etc. That is a fact not a counter claim

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What's your view on a party expelling 21 MPs for > having a different view to the leader Grove Boy? > Ever heard of glass houses and stones? We are talking about labour here, what has that got to do with labours demolition? You can counter claim all day long but it doesn't absolve nor solve labours failings.

cella Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The idea of "removing" or "defeating" a grass > roots organisation, apart from some ultra right > wing, offensive ones, smacks of dictatorship and > intolerance surely. Hahahahaha. What's your views on Labours dictatorship and intolerance ?

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Grove boy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > They are millionaires,there's nothing false > about it. > > I didn't say false, I said false equivalence, > they're not the same thing. > > Typical leftie argument, their millionaires are > > worse than ours,their racists are worse than > our > > racists,,,,,,, > > I'm not a 'leftie' as you put it. If you look at > my posting history you will see I'm no fan of > Corbyn and his cabal. > You've cited Len McCluskey as a Labour > millionaire, I've no idea if he is but happy to > take your word on the matter. As for a Tory > millionaire I'll stick with Johnson. Now you're > right that's it's not false to say they are both > millionaires, but that ignores the context of what > I wrote, that being a reply to our resident racist > who said that Labour politicians ''don't know how > REAL people live''. It's a false equivalence to > say that just because they are both millionaires > they both know how real people live, that's simply > not the case. > A quick look at his bio tells me LM is the son of > a painter and decorator, shop steward, union > leader etc, who I'm guessing therefore has a > pretty good understanding of how so called real > people live and can empathise with them, whereas > Johnson has had such a privileged life and is so > out of touch with reality that he can't even look > at the image of a 4yo boy lying on a hospital > floor... That's all well and good but the electorate put their trust in Boris and not a career protester that alienated his core and traditional support. Maggis was daughter of shopkeepers, was she in touch with reality?

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Grove boy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > About as much as the millionaires behind > Corbyn, > > John Lansmann and Len Mcklusky etc. > > Congratulations, that has to be the 'best' false > equivalence anyone on this forum has come up > with... They are millionaires,there's nothing false about it.Typical leftie argument, their millionaires are worse than ours,their racists are worse than our racists,,,,,,,

About as much as the millionaires behind Corbyn, John Lansmann and Len Mcklusky etc.

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Grove boy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > If that was the case surely the brexit party > and > > libdems wouldn't have been humiliated at the > > polls. I think the previous labour strongholds > > that lost voters and seats may have something > to > > do with Corbyn ignoring them and casting his > net > > at students and the Glastonbury type. Northern > > towns didn't want to hear offers of free > internet, > > student fee's, tax rises. A so called working > > class hero in Corbyn should have known this. > > I have to agree with this point. True old school > Labour of the working class variety do not take to > this urban wishy-washy socialism. It lacks > patriotism, overtly in many cases. It?s how it > comes across on the doorstep. Obviously the > wealthy London right-on types, with money in the > bank lap Corbyn?s brand up, but that unfortunately > is not how you win elections. People saying it?s > the brexit thing are sadly deluding themselves and > potentially keeping Labour out of office for at > least one or maybe two elections. Ditch Momentum, > and get it back to the centre. > > Louisa. I can't disagree with none of what you say. It will be interesting to see the path labour take when selecting their next leader, if it's another momentum frontman then i fear for them. I also hope they return to the centre, i might be able to vote for them again. A far left or right party will never gain power in this country.

If that was the case surely the brexit party and libdems wouldn't have been humiliated at the polls. I think the previous labour strongholds that lost voters and seats may have something to do with Corbyn ignoring them and casting his net at students and the Glastonbury type. Northern towns didn't want to hear offers of free internet, student fee's, tax rises. A so called working class hero in Corbyn should have known this.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Trinnydad Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Now this thread is drying up, it is interesting > to > > look back at all the sneering, put-downs, > > aggression, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance. > > > > > If nothing else, it is indicative of which is > > really is the "Nasty Party". The self-same > > undemocratic mob that pitched up outside No. 10 > > yesterday. > > They're allowed to protest peacefully - myself I'd > end up in the nearest pub which probably shows I'm > not one of those at worst risk from 5 years of > Boris (there are some who claim to see themselves > in extreme danger) Antifa don't protest peacefully, they're a rentamob consisting of angry rebellious students and washed up anarchists.

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Amongst the cat's wife's labour loving friends, > there's no self reflection this morning. Just > moaning that the 'right wing media' did a hatchet > job on corbyn and labour. And all Britain are > stupid and got 'hoodwinked' apparently. > > Not one ounce of self reflection. I don't get it They must have missed all the shit that the guardian threw at Johnson. Cults don't win elections, something Corbyns fanclub need to reflect on! It's been a bad few years for the liberal elite, brexit and now Boris, yet it's still the media's fault.

Labour?s self analysis has started, damning of Corbyn and McDonnell: Phil Wilson, Labour's candidate in Sedgefield - a Brexit-backing Tory target seat and ex-PM Tony Blair's former constituency - said: "To blame Brexit for the result is mendacious nonsense." "Jeremy Corbyn's leadership was a bigger problem. To say otherwise is delusional," he added on Twitter. "The party's leadership went down like a lead balloon on the doorstep." Likewise Ian Murray, Labour's candidate in Edinburgh South, tweeted: "Every door I knocked on, and my team and I spoke to 11,000 people, mentioned Corbyn." "Not Brexit but Corbyn. I've been saying this for years. The outcome is that we've let the country down and we must change course and fast." Former Labour home secretary Alan Johnson told ITV News: "It's Corbyn. We knew that in Parliament." "We knew he was incapable of leading, we knew he was worse than useless at all the qualities you need to lead a political party."

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anything to say about Boris's racism and > homophobia then. Anything at all? And let's also > not forget about the British woman languishing in > an Iranian jail because of Boris's lazy stupidity. > The man is shameful and yet has no shame. Virtue > signalling indeed. It's terrible just like anti-semitism. One doesn't make the other any better or worse, nor does it absolve anyone. Corbyns fence sitting an so called ambiguity over brexit has lost labour stronghold seats for the first time in 40 years,ex mining towns turning blue should never happen. He ignored his core voters and pandered to gullible students and the middle classes, look where that has got him. He couldn't shift the Maybot when he had an open goal, he should have gone then. Hopefully he's gone by Monday so long term labourites can support their party again.

Hemingway Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The squirming and contortions on social media by > people who claim to be non-racists to justify > voting for an institutionally anti-Semitic party > which is frightening British jews is a sight to > behold today. Clearly anti-semitism doesn't really > count as racism for huge number of laughably > labelling themselves 'progressives' . Rank, > hypocrites..makes me want to puke. Indeed, change the word jew to muslim or black and Corbyn's mob would be having a meltdown. Hypocrites to a man.