dulwichfolk

When is the CPZ due to go into townley, court lane and Calton Av? Where will the older pupils and staff members all park then?!

Isn?t traffic down across the country even where LTN haven?t been forced upon the local community? Where exactly is the pollution monitoring? Is it measured on the displacement roads or are you just talking about it being down on your closed road?..in which case I agree a closed road does show less pollution. rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > @dulwichfolk - that?s simply not true. All the > data is on the website. Traffic is down on > pre-covid levels. LTNs have reduced traffic, > increased active travel and have not (despite > claims on this thread), increased pollution. The > data is clear. People can complain about the > inconvenience to drivers, but it?s no longer > sustainable to claim that the LTNs have not > objectively succeeded against most of their > objectives.

Waseley Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's good that Labour is trying to do something > about reducing car journeys. The other two main > parties seem to just talk about not doing things. > At a national level the Tory/LD alliance were > pretty useless on addressing increased pollution > from road transport. The data as it keeps getting stated on here showed the dulwich car number we?re reducing year on year (pre covid/LTNs) until they decide to use a count when their were temporary road works to try and push through this whole mess in the first place.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just a reminder that latest data shows traffic is > down at all monitored sites, compared with pre > pandemic levels. The only exception is EDG East > (between Melbourne Grove South and junction with > LL, where traffic has been diverted away from a > school entrance and now continues down the road > before turning). Cycling and walking are up. > Pollution has NOT increased. Despite the continual > hyperbole, opinion and misinformation on this > thread, the LTN has objectively succeeded in > increasing active travel and reducing traffic and > car use. You would think with it being such a success labour would at least mention LTN in one of their seven or eight leaflets they keep delivering?.. Or maybe they do but only in the closed/restricted roads?maybe the cheerleaders for the scheme could confirm???

-sorry posted in error feel free to delete

redpost Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If they'd lived on these roads a long time then > they would notice the 20% increase of the last 20 > years? and reflect the need to do something about > it? Making people travel further won?t help. The values for dulwich were going down year on year?. Pre covid The 20% is only due to changing the counting method tfl/department for transport? But keep going?.anything to keep the LTN.

What do you think went wrong with the meaningful analysis the council did regards turney road where they published the incorrect values (lower count) when they saw there was an increase in the joining burbage road. Wouldn?t they have thought where is that traffic going and it doesn?t match our figures? exdulwicher Wrote ------------------------------------------------------- > But you see my point - if the council is only > releasing ATC data it tells you nothing about > congestion? Which is the important piece in terms > of > > Well it does because you don't just take one > snapshot. Traffic counts are averaged over times > (time of day / day of week / week of year etc) to > get the bigger picture. If you find an hour where > the traffic count off one roadside tube sensor is > obviously out of whack, you can look at the wider > picture - was there some sort of blockage nearby > creating an unusual flow, had someone parked with > the wheels on the tube? Compare it with other > days, look at other sensors nearby, check the > sensor for any malfunctions or damage, align it > with pollution monitoring etc. > You don't just go "hey look, it only counted 10 > cars that hour, publish that quick!" > > That is also part of the reason why you can't > demand data immediately; it takes time to gather > it, verify it, analyse it and present it in a > meaningful way. You're looking at medium-term > traffic patterns, not an individual hour where it > may have been free-flowing or congested.

sally buying Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > dulwichfolk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > sally buying Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Why does nobody talk about champion Hill that > > has > > > been turned into a gated community? > > > > > > > > As I believe according to Twitter the guardian > > journalist and ex councillor who live there > don?t > > want it being mentioned. > > > > Hasn?t it had an 18 month trial extended a > number > > of times as the results they want/need to keep > it > > gated aren?t being produced yet?! > > Correct. A joke. Think the trial in the recent Southwark traffic orders has decided to make it permanent I guess they don?t really care what anyone thinks and just go ahead regardless. Is there any trial measures Southwark have put in over the years which have then been totally removed?!

sally buying Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why does nobody talk about champion Hill that has > been turned into a gated community? As I believe according to Twitter the guardian journalist and ex councillor who live there don?t want it being mentioned. Hasn?t it had an 18 month trial extended a number of times as the results they want/need to keep it gated aren?t being produced yet?!

Be interesting to know what the result of the review would have been if it hadn?t been extended by a week

I think the photo on Twitter showing Melbourne grove having newly painted 20 mph signs at the grove vale end in May , which seemed strange as it was next to blocked off planters, suggests this was decided a long long time ago and all these consultations are a waste of time.

legalalien Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've just had a multi-page hard copy review update > through the door. > > One thing that strikes me is that pretty much all > of the measures have been able to be compromised > in some way, EXCEPT the Court/ Calton closure, > where it's about emergency services only. That's > what I don't understand. Why can't that junction > have timed restrictions like everywhere else? > There's a real fixation with closure, I'm not sure > why. My money is on refusal to acknowledge the > poor design last time it was remodelled (a sort of > "it's an impossible junction to make safe for > cars, cycles and pedestrians", rather than > catering to some narrow local interests (surely > not?). I don't want to believe the latter. Isn?t this due to the fact you can?t/dangerous to put timings on the traffic lights (or it is too difficult to do) hence it is either always open or always closed.

16% down when it states in the Southwark council document average traffic was down in Southwark 12%?so it is a 4% reduction at most to have this queuing traffic outside of the village and to keep everyone in a LTN happy

To their credit they are concreting over some grass and trees to build some flats. That is in Peckham though so no white middle class lobby group complainers for the council to worry about so happy to carry on regardless.

It funny how in the last meeting when they showed the next steps the last option about removing the LTN had no reference to the result of the consultation. The other two options keep the measures or adapt them did. Means the removal of the LTN is only factored on the data which obviously there is no success or failure criteria to! That?s how I read it anyway.