OatLatte

The VAERS link is exactly that, people who had the Vaccine, ages, what conditions and medications they are on and the side effects they had. Just factual stuff.

Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > to each of these people after their injection with > mRNA > > after but not necessarily caused by. The site you > choose to use is one dedicated to justify non-take > up of vaccinations (in general) - that is a > perfectly good civil liberties stance to take, but > is driven by politics (small p) and not science. > 'Most' people don't recover from Covid - if they > are elderly or have many underlying conditions. > Sadly some who are both young and fit also suffer > badly, and may die. > > The position taken by your source is that no one > owes anything to society - if you are not going to > be very ill with Covid then it's fine for you to > have it and very possibly infect some other poor > sucker who will be very ill, but why should you > care so long as 'Your Family's' health is > protected? > > Your choice, but I think if society then decides > to exclude you from its nightclubs and pubs and > sports grounds and airports because you rate > yourself higher than them, well don't whinge. If > you can make selfish judgements on your behalf. so > can the rest of society. VAERS https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=12&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=NONE&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&L_THREAT=No&DIED=Yes is created by CDC so in no way anti Vaccine,just a place for people to report effects, same as UK Goverment Yellow Card https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/ if you read the descriptions on people who went in cardiac arrest immediately after after vaccine it should be of concern, we all seem to be happy to accept Covid death count for ANY reason within 28 days as an accurate count. Also if we all in this together we must inject all the Children with this new mRNA drug, there is no way for the Virus to know when a child turns 18 and becomes a super spreader, i know they have to wear masks now in school but surely we must give them this new drug to protect the community. I know we dont know if this will affect their fertility later on as we dont have a long term study but the manufacturer says it's safe and effective so it must be.

Its very clear the ages and the description of what happened to each of these people after their injection with mRNA https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=12&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=NONE&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&L_THREAT=No&DIED=Yes If you dont want to risk your Families Health as most people recover from Covid with just mild symptoms it seems wrong to coerce people to take it by implementing digital passports.

A digital Covid vaccination passport is being jointly developed by a group of health and technology companies who anticipate that governments, airlines and other firms will soon start asking people for proof that they have been inoculated. A coalition known as the Vaccination Credential Initiative ? which includes Microsoft, Salesforce and Oracle, as well as U.S. health care non-profit Mayo Clinic ? was announced on Thursday. The VCI said it wants to develop technology that enables individuals to obtain an encrypted digital copy of their immunization credentials that can be stored in a digital wallet of their choice, such as the Apple Wallet or Google Pay. The Digital Vaccine was commissioned by the government https://thecommonsproject.org/commonpass before we even had the vaccine,you will hear lots about digital passports in the next few weeks,its the topic for this mornings BBC Radio London. So it will not be your choice if you don't want to take an experimental drug. Digital passports is also just a covert way to implement a digital ID.

spoiledtalent Wrote: Getting the vaccine is the > right choice if this does not put you at further > risks of unnecessary complications of your > condition. > Spoiledtalent What if i don't want to risk my families health by having an experimental mRNA drug injected, but will be forced to by a digital vaccine passport. 906 Deaths is only the ones reported to VAERS by individuals in the USA so far, many others are not reported.

ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > OatLatte, you don't provide figures for the number > of persons given each of the different vaccines, > so how have you determined the relative rates of > death reported as associated with each? Do you > have any idea what proportion they are overall of > the number of vaccinations that have been given? > Ianr, i had just done a quick scan of https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=12&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=NONE&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&L_THREAT=No&DIED=Yes the 906 Vaccine deaths and did not see any AstraZeneca listed, when i tried to look now i realise that it is not listed at all and when i did some more checking it is because its not yet available in the USA, will only be from April. So my mistake it could have a similar death rate.

**Correction** 18:50 23/2 Astra Zeneca not yet available in USA.(reason no deaths listed for this Brand) The AstraZeneca vaccine seems to be safer, the 906 deaths that occurred within 48 hours after vaccine in the USA have been mainly from Phizer and Moderna that use mRNA, AstraZeneca does not use this. https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=12&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=NONE&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&L_THREAT=No&DIED=Yes

spoiledtalent Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello > > Very good idea to share info here about side > effects. > > I am particularly interested in understanding if > anybody with a diagnosed autoimmune condition or > other non communicable disease (such as diabetes > Vasculitis or Lupus) - either on immunosuppressant > drugs or not - has already had which vaccine and > if you have had any side effect or any interaction > with your medications or any other impact on your > condition. > > This would be extremely useful information because > at the moment there is an overall lack of actual > data, only some prudent notes are added by > specialists to generally optimistic conjectures > without evidence. I keep on looking around and > they all repeat the same considerations. > > Some experts are encouraging the vaccinations > because of the very increased risks of severe > illness caused by Covid) in presence of a certain > other disease: this is the case of diabetes. > (There is a very informative pack of data at > https://www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us/news/coronavi > rus-vaccines#safe) > > Others are slightly less rushing, for instance > specifying that the vaccines are considered safe > just because they are not "live vaccine" that > could very much upset a compromised immune system > (this is the position of Chron's Disease website > https://www.crohnsandcolitis.org.uk/news/latest-co > ronavirus-vaccine-for-people-with-crohns-or-coliti > s#no-vax) > > I am just reading on the website of the American > Arthritis Foundation (at > https://www.arthritis.org/health-wellness/about-ar > thritis/related-conditions/other-diseases/covid-19 > -faqs-medication-treatment-and-vaccines): > > "Question: Are COVID-19 vaccines safe for people > with autoimmune disease? > > A: There is no advisory against vaccinating people > with autoimmune diseases, and experts say there is > no reason to believe that the current COVID-19 > vaccines on the market will be unsafe for these > populations. [... Experts] expect that vaccines > made with this technology to be safe for > immunocompromised patients and those on > immunosuppressant drugs. > However, [...] more data is needed understand > whether immunosuppressant medications or unchecked > disease activity may reduce vaccine > effectiveness." > > Same info also on the UK site about blood cancer > where it is clearly said that there is a > distinction between safety and effectiveness (at > https://bloodcancer.org.uk/support-for-you/coronav > irus-covid-19/covid-vaccine-blood-cancer/treatment > /). > > Diabetes.org.uk have announced a clinical trial to > assess exactly the point of the effectiveness if I > understood right. > > Basically, everybody seems to say that the Covid > vaccine should be safe in people with a number of > autoimmune conditions BUT also that the vaccine is > very likely to be NOT so effective as for the rest > of the population - so my conclusion is what's the > point of getting it? > > If you have an autoimmune disease and you have > been advised to manage the condition with self > care and careful symptomatic, conservative use of > medications, I am afraid that the Russian roulette > of going to experiment on your B-cells and see > what happens with the vaccine is not the ideal > thing to do, even if I understand it is not a live > vaccine, unless (possibly) you are going back and > forth from the hospital for cancer treatment and > you are very often in contact with people at high > risk of getting and spreading the virus? > > I do not know what to conclude actually, but for > the evidence that in my case I sometimes get awful > unexpected flare ups of my disease (with suddenly > abrupt exposure to risks of kidney failure, sepsi > or other horrible systemic effects that puzzle GP > and specialists altogether) just because I have > taken certain food or medications considered > totally innocuous by the rest of the population > so... my guts feeling is that procrastination can > be a good choice for us with autoimmune diseases. > > Thank you so much for sharing info about any side > effect different from the already known very minor > sore arms or the like. Sorry for the long message. There have only been 906 Deaths and 3126 Severe reactions in USA from the Vaccine up till 12th Feb so it is fairly safe. You can check what conditions and medications the deceased were on here: https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=12&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=NONE&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&L_THREAT=No&DIED=Yes CDC say one third of deaths occur within 48 Hours of vaccine https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/latest-data-cdc-vaers/ Strange they don't mention this on BBC.