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For those interested in what happens to stuff in the brown bins, here?s a link to an interesting summary prepared for next week?s environment scrutiny committee https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s102166/Council%20policy%20on%20food%20waste%20collections.pdf

Interesting because I don?t relate to what DC says at all, as I?ve never had a driving licence. My partner does but has never made any unnecessary short trips in London - what?s the point when you can walk or take public transport? I say that not to be smug, but because I think there is a real difference in attitude between those who have done those trips - the kind of evangelical attitude that comes with being a reformed smoker, for example; and those who haven?t and don?t see the point of attempted nudges to behaviour that have perceptible negative effects. We all come at these things from our own personal perspectives. Am I being harsh?

I guess the attendance list is just the committee members plus (in this case) the Cabinet Member summoned to the meeting - maybe other councillors can turn up on the day if they are interested but might not be listed? I don't know quite how that works.

Just started watching last night?s housing scrutiny committee meeting on YouTube. Cllr Mills is standing up for her constituents and having a go at council officers regarding the consultation on Brenchley Gardens. It?s quite refreshing to see. I gather the project has been paused. ETA surprise, surprise, the tenants association has expressed various concerns about the use of commonplace including the fact that there seems to be a large number of leading questions. Lots of parallels? worth a watch on YouTube? be interesting to see where the meeting ends up? Another important point made by Cllr Mills that informing and consulting with a TMO is no substitute for properly informing and consulting with residents (Sam applies to residents assns in my opinion). Officers very defensive and there are suggestions made that their summary report for the meeting is somewhat misleading.

Councillor Rose is apparently briefing the Oversight and Scrutiny Committee on the reopening of Rye Lane to buses and the Streetspace trials/ reviews in the borough at their next meeting on 13 October. Agenda here: https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=7002 I imagine there will be some limited opportunity for committee members to ask questions, for those concerned, might be worth trying to get one of the committee members to ask whether closure to buses is permanently off the table or not? List of attending councillors at https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgMeetingAttendance.aspx?ID=7002

Councillor Rose is apparently briefing the Oversight and Scrutiny Committee on the reopening of Rye Lane to buses and the Streetspace trials/ reviews in the borough at their next meeting on 13 October. Agenda here: https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=7002 I imagine there will be some limited opportunity for committee members to ask questions, let?s hope some of them ask some questions about process issues.

If only that were true.

You?re probably right as regards some folk and wrong as regards others tbh.I?m still opposed at this stage, have never had a driving licence and have done the school run locally walking and cycling for over a decade. I?m as concerned about process - the way officers and councillors have handled this thing- as I am about the question of closures. I think we all should be.

I think it would be easiest for everyone if the council and TfL just put ALL the raw data that they have out there in an "uninterpreted" form. Sure, it would result in loads of people trying to spin the data in their own different ways, but that's better than the council being selective and inviting suspicion. The fact that there were representations that more data would be released than has been released has just compounded the problem.

Agree. In light of the village ward councillor's comment last year that they can only fund what people apply for, probably timely to remind people that this year's neighbourhood fund applications close on Monday 11th October https://www.southwark.gov.uk/engagement-and-consultations/grants-and-funding/neighbourhoods-fund-2022.

Agree. The 10-12 mins ought to be a non issue for those living locally, I?m just thinking about those who come from further away, Kingsdale has a fairly big catchment for example. Of course if all the schools including the independents limited their catchments a bit more geographically it would help with a lot of transport issues. It?s crazy the way Dulwich children are being shipped to Croydon, Catford and Eltham having just missed Dulwich places, and vice versa in the other direction.

That would work better for the bus generally, but possibly not so well for the many students that use the P4 to get to and from DC and Kingsdale? Similar to previous comment a I think separating out the peak time school routes from the rest of the day is worth consideration.

yes, I was thinking about how people from the court/ woodwarde side could get over to burbage/ townley more easily.

I would say that pedestrianisation is on the table so long as @lane_rye and Southwark Cyclists keep campaigning for it. Also looks like Cllr Buck is a fan and has arranged some sort of scrutiny committee meeting with recommendations to cabinet, even though the LDs attempt to call in the decision for scrutiny somehow didn't make it past officers, according to his twitter. (if you look further on twitter the RL Pedestrianisation campaign wrote to scrutiny committee members asking for call in on the basis of a lack of consultation, so will be interesting to see how they react to the DV decision.

Would it make sense to have a different route at school times and no. School times eg a school hopper at pick up times and then a shopping/ medical etc hopper at other times? And perhaps it needs to extend towards Herne Hill?

Hopefully technology will come to your rescue sooner rather than later: https://www.coolingpost.com/world-news/hydrogen-fuel-cell-refrigerated-trailer-begins-road-testing/

In case anyone wants to comment https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/goodrichreview/ Consultation closes 17 October.

Here?s the formal decision on the revised Dulwich proposals, includes a summary of responses received on the revised proposal https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s102048/Record%20of%20Decison.pdf Come on LDs on the scrutiny commission - call it in for further discussion on the decision making process!

Thanks bels123. Some of the things on there - bike maintenance and the handyman look good. But there is a preponderance of luxury baked goods / craft beer / artisan coffee / flowers that does give the whole thing a certain vibe - they?re not things I buy a lot of (age and spending priorities I guess), and if I did I?d def walk to the shop rather than having them delivered. Was also interested to see how the London bike hire place has so many pictures encouraging people to swap public transport for cycling (and in one of them walking for cycling), which fits with something posted on here a while ago to the effect that a lot of the initial switch to cycling was from those modes rather than from cars. And also brought home to me that there are commercial interests behind encouraging cycling, it?s not all just altruism. There?s some interesting reading around attempts to encourage bike deliveries in the US, eg https://www.forbes.com/sites/andriacheng/2019/12/04/amid-record-online-sales-new-york-is-working-with-amazon-others-to-test-cargo-bike-delivery-your-city-will-be-next/?sh=1058a700393f https://depts.washington.edu/sctlctr/news-events/in-the-news/electric-bike-could-change-delivery-we-know-it ( trigger warning for some - the suggestion that you might ultimately need two sets of cycle lanes, one for recreational cycling and one for commerce) And then this cautionary tale about the risk of exploitation / crime against cycle delivery workers https://www.theverge.com/22667600/delivery-workers-seamless-uber-relay-new-york-electric-bikes-apps I?m still erring on the side of ?we should encourage people to get out of their houses and go to the shops and discourage home delivery of small and unnecessary items, even if the deliveries are by bike?.

Looks like it! I'd be interested to know the distances though - if stuff is still being driven around the country by lorry and then delivered using cycle for the last km then the overall journeys need to be taken into account. I have no idea how it all works - but it seems to be a very complex picture that would need a lot of unpacking to analyse... someone producing goods in Kent and driving them to mine might end up being overall more efficient/ green than a product being produced much further away, transported to a local depot and then taken the last little bit by bike, thereby seeming sustainable etc, if yswim.

For small items though, surely it?s better for us to get up off our sofas and walk or cycle to the shop rather than get someone on a bike to bring it to us? Also - presumably for lots of items it would only ever be last mile delivery by bike - it doesn?t really solve the problem of the massive online consumer culture we?ve developed where we all expect to be able to choose from a boundless array of items sourced from all around the world at the click of a button. Has always been a bugbear of mine - seems as though the massive disruption in global supply chains at present might just fix it for me?. (All a bit of a digression, sorry) ETA I agree re return to public transport. I went into the West End a couple of times by train / tube / bus and was surprised how busy it was.

Another interesting bit from a council report, this one about a recommendation that the council extend its current corporate liability insurance rather than go out to tender at this stage: ?As part of any retender exercise, potential bidders will look at the council?s claims experience. There is currently a very large reserve against an employer?s liability claim due to a recent review which resulted in the reserve being increased substantially. There has also been deterioration generally in the last 12 months in the employer?s liability claims experience. This would affect how the council is viewed and likely the bids submitted at a tender.? Wonder what went on there. https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s102038/Report.pdf

Also I don?t really get the fixation with single occupancy in cars. Lots of people using their car or van for work during the day would be single occupancy surely?

My point was that increasingly it isn?t just one grocery van delivering groceries to ten houses, which I think is Ok if the ten houses are getting one delivery a week and choosing the ?green van? option. It?s the proliferation of small on demand grocery orders, Uber eats, deliveroo, having one or multiple veg and grocery boxes, a separate pasta evangelists box, maybe a regular Harry?s shaving order, and now a separately packaged and delivered coffee service... the list goes on. Things like Amazon Prime and I think now a similar deliveroo service where you pay a monthly all you can eat delivery fee... it doesn?t bode well. Rrr you seem to be suggesting that the problem requiring a solution is not an overall increase in traffic but rather one of displacement from main roads to back streets?

This was in my mail today (along with the DA thing). I?ll say it again - it?s the deliveries we need to focus on. There was someone on Sky this morning reflecting on how many HGV drivers have switched to more local Amazon, supermarket, gourmet food box type jobs.