Trains cancellations - latest

[TheCat]

geobz Wrote:

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> Its been more than a month now that services to

> and from ED have been cut by half.

>

> I'd like to hear how has it affected other people

> around that their work is not so open on them

> coming in late / leaving early and WFH when there

> is a strike.

For me it basically doesn't matter whether its an official 'strike' day or not, with the ongoing overtime ban, the services from Dulwich are a shambles every single day. One train an hour? might as well be none for all the chances of squeezing on. I have ended up driving to work, paying a fortune in parking and congestion charge. Some people may say that's wasteful as I could get on a bus or bike; but I have an injury that prevents me riding a bike for a while, and im far too grumpy already in the mornings (on a good day) to stomach being 'sardined' into a bus....

How this can continue though, I dont know...

[Earl Aelfheah]

Support the campaign to have TfL take over the franchise https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/transport/mayors-plans-rail-devolution/pledge

[rendelharris]

Signed RRR, thanks.

Don't know if this helps anyone, but Mrs.H works in West Brompton, sick of the trains she's started taking the 185 to Victoria about 6.45 then a tube - according to her it's just as fast as getting the train and she always gets a seat (on the bus).

[Zebedee Tring]

Another way to get to West Brompton - Overground from Denmark Hill to Clapham Junction and then another Overground to West Brompton.

[geobz]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> The mornings have so far been tolerable even with

> only one train an hour (I get the 0830 from ED).

>

> Coming home after 1730 is a gamble, as trains get

> cancelled, or formed of 4 coaches and I've been

> unable to get on board.

>

> I've then tried to get back via Forest Hill, but

> on a few occasions those trains were also

> cancelled, giving an hour journey time back from

> London Bridge as I've gone to catch the 40 bus

> instead.

>

> Sometimes they've run an extra train at 1742, but

> tonight it seems there are no services between

> 1711 and 1808.

>

> If it's later in the evening, taking the tube down

> to Elephant and Castle thence a choice of buses

> has been another option.

>

> My work are fine about it, but then I'm relatively

> lucky to have a flexible environment...

I am personally leaving with the 17:11 train everyday as I can't risk to go to the 18:08. Half of the times the 18:08 will get cancelled or delayed indefinitely. And tube to elephant and castle and then 40 or 176 takes more than an hour during peak times.

[rendelharris]

Zebedee Tring Wrote:

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> Another way to get to West Brompton - Overground

> from Denmark Hill to Clapham Junction and then

> another Overground to West Brompton.

Yep that was her route for the last four years, but she says with the strikes etc the Overground has become staggeringly crowded. Thought the bus route might be of more interest to those needing to get to Victoria and environs, rather than West Brompton specifically.

[Lowlander]

The 1808 is more punctual than the 1711 (75% against 67%).

The 1711 has been cancelled three times since 9 December, same as the 1808.

http://www.recenttraintimes.co.uk/Home/Search?Op=Srch&Fr=London+Bridge+%28LBG%29&To=North+Dulwich+%28NDL%29&TimTyp=A&TimDay=4p&Days=Wk&TimPer=4w&dtFr=09%2F12%2F2016&dtTo=06%2F01%2F2017&ShwTim=AvAr&TOC=All&ArrSta=5&MetAvg=Mea&MetSpr=RT&MxScDu=&MxSvAg=10&MnScCt=2&MxArCl=25

[geobz]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> The 1808 is more punctual than the 1711 (75%

> against 67%).

>

> The 1711 has been cancelled three times since 9

> December, same as the 1808.

>

> http://www.recenttraintimes.co.uk/Home/Search?Op=S

> rch&Fr=London+Bridge+%28LBG%29&To=North+Dulwich+%2

> 8NDL%29&TimTyp=A&TimDay=4p&Days=Wk&TimPer=4w&dtFr=

> 09%2F12%2F2016&dtTo=06%2F01%2F2017&ShwTim=AvAr&TOC

> =All&ArrSta=5&MetAvg=Mea&MetSpr=RT&MxScDu=&MxSvAg=

> 10&MnScCt=2&MxArCl=25

Good to know that, didn't even know that site existed.

[cerv]

geobz Wrote:

> I am personally leaving with the 17:11 train

> everyday as I can't risk to go to the 18:08. Half

> of the times the 18:08 will get cancelled or

> delayed indefinitely. And tube to elephant and

> castle and then 40 or 176 takes more than an hour

> during peak times.

If stranded at London Bridge another option is Jubilee to Canada Water then Overground to Peckham/Denmark Hill (depending what side of town you are) then a bus for final leg. Sounds worse than it is: v. short changeover from jubilee to overground platform and both have bus stops with regular service outside the station.

[JohnL]

Tubes, Southern and BA have issues on Monday

So can't take tube, train or plane to work.

[Penguin68]

Jubilee to Canada Water then Overground to Peckham/Denmark Hill (depending what side of town you are)

Or to Brockley, Honor Oak & Forest Hill - if you are to the east of E. Dulwich. Forest Hill then gives you the 185/ 176 back into the heart of ED.

[rendelharris]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Some people may say that's wasteful as I could get

> on a bus or bike; but I have an injury that

> prevents me riding a bike for a while, and im far

> too grumpy already in the mornings (on a good day)

> to stomach being 'sardined' into a bus....

Just a suggestion which might not suit you or be possible with your injury, but when I was really, really badly ill a few years back I bought an electric bike kit new off eBay for ?400 - basically a front wheel with a motor in it to replace the normal one, a battery and a controller. It could do about 15-20 miles with no pedalling at all, or much further if one pedalled a bit (basically 15mph needed the effort of 5mph on a non electrified bike). It served me very well for quite a few months and was actually great fun too - and at the end of the round of treatment which was making me ill I resold it on eBay for just under ?300...

As I said, just an idea, if you can't even sling a leg over a saddle apologies and get well soon.

[geobz]

latest scandal...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/11/rail-franchise-boss-peter-wilkinson-gave-southern-contract-client-consultancy

[JohnL]

geobz Wrote:

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> latest scandal...

>

> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/11/r

> ail-franchise-boss-peter-wilkinson-gave-southern-c

> ontract-client-consultancy

Never mind the conflict of interest issues - why are they even paying

a flat rate fee - Govia has no interest in customer loyalty under this

contract.

and "They have all borrowed money to buy cars and got credit cards,? - what

does that even mean - does he perceive train drivers as working class ?

[JohnL]

To answer myself - it's a threat isn't it.

We'll sack you and you have debts.

[SoozieW]

I am so fed up of the trains and so is my boss!

[geobz]

Is there any protest going on from commuters or? I want to find more about this, we should be out on the streets protesting. Gov should have taken care of this by now its been many months and last time I checked they sank ?20m into getting services back for Southern and again the same thing.

We the people have the power to change it, although I must admit we(including me) are doing nothing to change it.

[Earl Aelfheah]

The whole thing stinks: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/11/rail-franchise-boss-peter-wilkinson-gave-southern-contract-client-consultancy?CMP=share_btn_tw (Rail franchise mandarin's board gave Southern contract to client of his company)

[Earl Aelfheah]

We should be campaigning for devolution of train service to TFL, something which was previously agreed and has been stopped for purely political reasons. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38238980

Grayling should be sacked and responsibility for Southern, Southeastern and South West Trains placed under the remit of TFL.

[JohnL]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> We should be campaigning for devolution of train

> service to TFL, something which was previously

> agreed and has been stopped for purely political

> reasons.

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-382389

> 80

>

> Grayling should be sacked and responsibility for

> Southern, Southeastern and South West Trains

> placed under the remit of TFL.

She'll probably swap Grayling & Hunt around :(

[rjsmall]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> responsibility for

> Southern, Southeastern and South West Trains

> placed under the remit of TFL.

I don't think this will (or should) happen without the franchises being redrawn. These franchises (Southwest especially) also run services outside London with some routes not coming anywhere near.(http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/documents/content/routemaps/nationalrailoperatorsmap.pdf)

Not sure it would fix relations between the management and unions anyway as TfL hasn't exactly been unaffected by strikes.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I meant their 'metro' services, which I think was the original plan http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/12113029/TfL-to-take-control-of-Londons-suburban-rail-services.html .

[rjsmall]

For services that only run within the capital (or within the area that TfL cover) I agree that would make sense. I would imagine they would have to compensate the TOC if they were moved before the end of the franchise. That said the London Overground operates with driver only operated trains - it would be a strange situation where these services switch to this method of operation yet this is what Southern are looking to implement.

[KidKruger]

Are trains running between ED and LB right now ?

[DulwichFox]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Are trains running between ED and LB right now ?

Will depend on two things:_

1.. Wrong type of snow..

2.. Are Millwall playing at home. (Trains get cancelled on match days.)

Foxy