James Barber Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 This Satursday at 2pm a Take Back Parliament demo taking place in Parliament Square.Despite the Lib Dem/Tory coalition agreeing:- fixed term parliaments- a right to recall corrupt MPs- a statutory register of lobbyists- deepening devolution in Scotland and Wales- a review into how parliament should resolve the ?West Lothian Question?- party funding reform- measures to codify British sovereignty- House of Lords elected via Proportional Representation- referendum on House of Parliament beign elected via Alternative Vote.Many feel that wont go far enough. I agree with them - but am still delighted at the propect of all these changes happening.For further details of the demo http://www.takebackparliament.com/undemocratic or if you?d liek to be a steward [email protected] Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11291-take-back-parliament/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmora Man Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 As both a small "c" and large "C" conservative I think the list goes far enough, for now. Revolutionary change is rarely good, slow evolutionary change is generally better. My preference would be to see how these changes play out before we embark on further changes.Of course as I also have libertarian instincts - the idea of lots of government, certainly lots of big government, is anathama to me. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11291-take-back-parliament/#findComment-323531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve - they don't think they're going to get PR by doing this do they?I don't think anyone discusses the possible negative consequences of PR: that the link between the MP and the constituency is fractured, and that the MPs are essentially prioritised and selected by internal party machinery that is entirely divorced from the electorate.It's rather naive to assume that PR is necessarily more representative.Give me AV any day, but PR? Not so sure... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11291-take-back-parliament/#findComment-323542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 - House of Lords elected via Proportional Representation- referendum on House of Parliament beign elected via Alternative Vote. This follows the Australian system, which works rather well. Stable lower house, wider representation in the upper house. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11291-take-back-parliament/#findComment-323557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Um, excuse me Cllr Barber but aren't your guys in charge now? Who are you going to take parliament back from exactly - yourselves? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11291-take-back-parliament/#findComment-323975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 This is a pressure group for Proportional Representation.PR is a manifesto commitment of the Lib Dems that the Conservatives have come out strongly against.The Lib Dems would support this protest because it affirms the conviction behind their commitment.So um, excuse me Cllr Chapman, but aren't you supposed to be a leading local politician who would be aware of this? Or is this an example of Palin politics, where it's smart to act poorly informed? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11291-take-back-parliament/#findComment-324100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Haha - I'm not 'Cllr' Chapman nor a 'leading local politician'. For what it's worth AV plus would be my tipple - retains the constituency link and means every vote counts. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11291-take-back-parliament/#findComment-324104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Me too :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11291-take-back-parliament/#findComment-324106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawdy-nan Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 You omitted to mention the changes to the rules on dissolving parliament... a simple majority no longer sufficient to suport a vote of no-confidence now 55% which means "strong" government of course, but not the democratic kind Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11291-take-back-parliament/#findComment-324150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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