Does Southwark listen

[rendelharris]

???? Wrote:

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> You're wrong on this as the stats show that

> survival rates on a pedestrian-car collision at

> 20mph are far and significantly higher than at

> 30mph. Basically , in layman's terms, if you're

> hit at 20mph the chances are you survive, if

> you're hit at 30mph the chances are you don't.

Quids and me agree shock! At 20MPH 90% of pedestrians survive, at 28MPH+ 50% die. That's a plain fact which is rather difficult to ignore.

[rupert james]

If those are the figures one cannot disagree but what would be the accident injuries if the following was implemented.

If pedestrians actually used the pavement to walk on and used official crossing points and looked each way before crossing giving the road and its traffic their full attention?

Seems today's generation of people cannot seem to grasp this simple life saving fact.

Unfortunately even with using the above accidents will happen but to a much lower degree.

[ianr]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> At 20MPH 90% of pedestrians survive, at 28MPH+ 50% die. That's a

> plain fact which is rather difficult to ignore.

Rospa cite 2010 figures of a 7% pedestrian fatality rate at 30mph. http://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/drivers/speed/inappropriate/ That seems to be based on a 2010 DfT paper. A 2011 literature review paper (Rosen et al.) referred to in http://www.swov.nl/rapport/Factsheets/UK/FS_Speed.pdf [PDF, 279kB], has a 50% fatality rate reached at 50mph. There are other research papers out there too. What is your source?

Rospa also say "The risk of a pedestrian who is hit by a car being killed increases slowly until impact speeds of around 30 mph. Above this speed, the risk increases rapidly". That seems to me congruent with the attached risk curves, from the SWOV paper. Thirty mph is about 48km/h.

[Earl Aelfheah]

To answer the question...no, I seriously doubt that Southwark would change their policy on the basis of this consultation, so seems pretty pointless

[Blah Blah]

It's an interesting concept regarding pedestrians and crossings. When I have my two kids with me, I always use a pedestrian crossing on busy and main roads - always. But when it is just me, I will cross anywhere if I think it's reasonably safe to do so. Why do we follow a guaranteed level of safety for our children, but not for ourselves?

Also, if pedestrians ALWAYS used designated crossings, how might that affect the complacency of a driver?

[DulwichFox]

Since the imposed 20MPH speed limit.. many more drivers are pulling out of side streets ..

..and many more pedestrians are dashing across the road.. from behind parked vehicles..

DulwichFox

[Jeremy]

Not sure if I've observed more pedestrians dashing across the road, but I've certainly noticed a lot more minicab drivers overtaking in unwise places..