The Donald

[Earl Aelfheah]

So it looks as though, perhaps, republicans are waking up to who Trump really is. The thing I don't get, is how on earth has this not happened before now. It seems that the connection between saying xenophobic and misogynistic things and actually being a xenophobe and a misogynist hadn't occurred to people. It's instructive when thinking about the character of many of our current UK politicians and their rhetoric IMO.

[KidKruger]

Shame on Republicans for not speaking out sooner against this asshole.

[Otta]

It is crazy that it's gotten this far, and crazier still that he still has a chance of becoming one of the most powerful people in the world.

Several women now making allegations of historical sexual assault.

[Seabag]

If only Britain/England had woken up to the nonsense that was thrown about pre-referendum

Maybe the whole 'The Donald' thing will shake up people, and get them to vote for themselves, rather than against 'the establishment'

I'm fairly sure that if we'd have had our vote after the American elections, we might be in a different place right now

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

They knew. The principled ones like Jeb Bush made their feelings clear from the start. The rest were constrained by the party.

I doubt people will wake up. His latest behaviour is now leading to people running around with "Bill Clinton is a rapist" shirts on. As long as class snobbery exists in either direction, we'll have people voting against "the elite" even if it is in spite of their future.

[Blah Blah]

The bewildering thing about Trump for me is that the Republican Party allowed someone who has never held any kind of office to stand as a candidate in the first place. Maybe they figured they could trade on his celebrity status (they have been out of office for two terms after all), or never really exected him to win the nomination (like Jeremy Corbyn), but thought he would be good entertainment for the process. Either way, they have it seems, triggered the downfall of their party. Even if Trump wins, he will never get Senators and Congress to back him on anything imo - so a lame duck presidency at best.

The other disconnect with the public is the idea that any of these people really serve their interests. Trump wants lower taxes for people like him, and regulation of big business to be swept away. Nigel Farage too, is as close to establishment as a politician can get (and stands for similar ideas on tax and deregulation). These kinds of people do well because they know how to push the right buttons in people who feel angry or disenfranchised, but they offer nothing that will actually change the balance of pwer between wealth and ordinary people. They are frauds imo.

[teddyboy23]

Seab

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

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[teddyboy23]

Wond

[Blah Blah]

We haven't invoked article 50 yet teddboy. How low will the pound go when we do? We haven't seen tariffs in action on exports yet. How many jobs will be lost when we do? We still have our workers and employment rights. Which of those will be thrown out by this government? How many of those who voted leave will be happy to pay between 10% and 30% more for their goods? Telling people to move to another country is not an answer. I have as much right to stay in the country I was born in and fight for the country and economy I want as you. Almost half the population did not vote leave, so that's 16 million people you are telling to leave. And it is the narrow margin of the vote that gives me and many others some hope that common sense will prevail, and we won't end up over the cliff after all. A Norway type deal which protects our access to the single market is probably the best compromise.

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

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[Otta]

teddyboy23 Wrote:

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> those that delight in our

> country's downfall if any can choose 27 other

> country's in the EU to live in then every one

> should be happy.

That is of course until this government fuck up negotiations and all Brit expats get sent home.

[teddyboy23]

Wond

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

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[teddyboy23]

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[JohnL]

UK is a joke and won't be UK for long as I notice the second Scotland referendum is incoming.

Will London go for it too - as once the UK is gone it's gone and we're in a different world.

[JohnL]

Otta Wrote:

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> teddyboy23 Wrote:

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> > those that delight in our

> > country's downfall if any can choose 27 other

> > country's in the EU to live in then every one

> > should be happy.

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> That is of course until this government @#$%& up

> negotiations and all Brit expats get sent home.

They haven't got any negotiators.

We were going to borrow some from Australia but ....

http://uk.businessinsider.com/trade-negotiators-brexit-government-liam-fox-2016-10

Of course the Telegraph says the Aussies are coming (remember the EU have 600 experts)

?We are just starting to get in trade experts to work here. We have already brought in an expert, someone who has been involved in a whole series of free trade agreement negotiations,? Mr Downer said. ?We will reinforce that team with more trade experts should we get into a free trade negotiation.?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/08/australian-negotiators-arrive-to-begin-post-brexit-trade-talks/

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

Teddy and I took our discussion offline and resolved it civilly FYI.

[Dog duck]

What's long and red and hangs from a c#?t?

Donald Trumps tie...

[Jah Lush]

All you need to know about America's two candidates by Heathcote Williams.