Scottish independence

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

I realise she doesn't have a legal leg to stand on, but morally I think they deserve a second bite of the cherry.

[malumbu]

Yep

[maxxi]

Another referendum? More populist democracy?

Why not open the whole UK Union question up to the whole of the UK? - If they wanted everyone's vote to decide on a Brexit then everyone affected (i.e. every UK citizen) should vote on this too with each individual region/country being able to opt-out.

Might end up with a UK of Scotland, Wales and NI with no England!

Referendums - I love 'em.

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

It was one of the central messages of the Better Together campaign that they would only benefit from EU membership if they stayed in the UK. Why should they (or NI for that matter) be saddled with our decision to leave?

Scotland being held to ransom by Little England cannot by definition be populist.

[Otta]

I wanted them to stay with us l;ast time out.

But I am so bloody tired of hearing about Scotland the liberal utopia. A good number of them voted to leave too.

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

Not proportionately.

Obviously, I am secretly hoping they are made independent and overcome the Spanish objections to become a member of the EU so that the financial markets move north rather than east or west. Sunshine is overrated anyhow.

[TheArtfulDogger]

I love politicians

You didn't vote they way we wanted last time and we have a thin excuses to hold another vote and this time we want you to vote they way we want or we do it again and again....

I seem to remember the cry of "it's a once in a generation opportunity" , do Scottish children grow up that quickly I wonder ?

[Lowlander]

This is by far the best article I've read so far http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37646408

In essence - it means nothing. A consultation, some sabre rattling; and a second referendum within the next decade perhaps. Certainly no time soon.

Whatever you think of her, Sturgeon is too canny to call another referendum yet. A consultation is just that.

[rendelharris]

Otta Wrote:

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> I wanted them to stay with us l;ast time out.

>

> But I am so bloody tired of hearing about Scotland

> the liberal utopia. A good number of them voted to

> leave too.

Well, 38% with 62% remain...even more decisive than London, 59.9%-41.1%. I want them to stay with us but I can see why they feel they have a genuine grievance.

[Loz]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> > I wanted them to stay with us l;ast time out.

> >

> > But I am so bloody tired of hearing about Scotland

> > the liberal utopia. A good number of them voted to

> > leave too.

>

> Well, 38% with 62% remain...even more decisive

> than London, 59.9%-41.1%. I want them to stay

> with us but I can see why they feel they have a

> genuine grievance.

I wanted Scotland to stay, but I really wouldn't blame them for exiting the Brexit mess.

Having said that, there's no way they can afford to leave the UK. Maybe if gas and oil prices bounce back.

[Otta]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > I wanted them to stay with us l;ast time out.

> >

> > But I am so bloody tired of hearing about

> Scotland

> > the liberal utopia. A good number of them voted

> to

> > leave too.

>

> Well, 38% with 62% remain...even more decisive

> than London,

So nearly 40%. A not insignificant number.

[????]

Some random thoughts

If they'd voted to leave last time (and their petty nationalists didn't have the balls unlike our petty nationalists) they would have been busto by now and had to have gone to the ECB cap in hand for a bail out

Who the hell will they blame when things go wrong when they are independent?

Scotland as some bastion of progressiveness.....you are having a laugh

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

I disgree they would be bust by now. Maybe in 20 years when the fuel revenues dry up, but not within a year. If they did get independence + EU membership, Edinburgh could easily become the new City - Scotland already has a lot of funds/AM activity. From having spoken to plenty of folks in professional services, given the choice between relocating to Dublin, Frankfurt or Edinburgh, the Scots win every time.

This is clearly all very theoretical as their is no vires for a second referendum, but I still think morally they have the right to feel aggrieved.