BREXIT: Why so personal?

[JohnL]

The Brexiteers seem not to have realised the two year negotiations are about

the divorce practicalities not about life after the divorce. Trade negotiations

will not be discussed for instance.

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21711886-still-its-sexiest-job-brussels-eus-brexit-negotiators-prepare-disaster

If the team is filled with Brexiteers they will probably walk away.

[Jenny1]

Peter Lilley seems to be very happy with the idea of walking away from the EU without reaching a trade deal at all. I wonder how many other Conservatives take that view.

[keano77]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Of course he's right. He's been hounded out of his

> post be ideologues, who don't want to be

> challenged by inconvenient realities. It's an

> absolute shambles.

He's had his snout in the trough gorging himself at EU taxpayers' expense for too long and gone native. Made a pig's ear of Cameron's pre-Brexit 'fundamental reforms'. Good riddance. Let's get people in with some cojones.

[????]

Yup - perhaps the most significant reason behind Brexit is the failure of Cameron's pre-referendum negotiations with the EU led by? erm, let me think

[JohnL]

keano77 Wrote:

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> He's had his snout in the trough gorging himself

> at EU taxpayers' expense for too long and gone

> native. Made a pig's ear of Cameron's pre-Brexit

> 'fundamental reforms'. Good riddance. Let's get

> people in with some conjones.

They'll just point at the rule book (which is on the EU's side) and

our big cajoned guys will take the nuclear option.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-weighs-the-cost-of-the-brexit-nuclear-option-1482089742

Of course there would be a lot of jobs required in the civil service

but how are we going to get people with the skills and who pays ?

[malumbu]

He's a good bloke (Ivan Rogers) and all the coverage shows what a nasty piece of poo Farage is (an the ever more popular Redwood).

Perhaps those voting leave can pay for all the extra resources needed to sort out this mess.

Yes it is still personal.

Here's some more stuff. Not vouching for the content.

http://www.globalgovernmentforum.com/ripples-around-the-world-brexits-implications-for-europe-and-beyond/

[JohnL]

???? Wrote:

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> Yup - perhaps the most significant reason behind

> Brexit is the failure of Cameron's pre-referendum

> negotiations with the EU led by? erm, let me think

Sky interviewed a Welsh diplomat this morning and he said the

Ambassador portrays the government policies to EU and takes back

to the Government the EU's views.

Cameron was responsible for Cameron's negotiation stance (which

is what I think you mean :) )

[????]

JohnL Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

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> > Yup - perhaps the most significant reason

> behind

> > Brexit is the failure of Cameron's

> pre-referendum

> > negotiations with the EU led by? erm, let me

> think

>

> Sky interviewed a Welsh diplomat this morning and

> he said the

> Ambassador portrays the government policies to EU

> and takes back

> to the Government the EU's views.

>

> Cameron was responsible for Cameron's negotiation

> stance (which

> is what I think you mean :) )

Well if that's the case - he's a go-between- why is it such a loss that he's gone according to so many?

[JohnL]

???? Wrote:

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> Well if that's the case - he's a go-between- why

> is it such a loss that he's gone according to so

> many?

This was the guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emyr_Jones_Parry

He did make it all seem rather simple (being a diplomat).

Swansea City fan too.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Thought this was a measured and well written 'piece' on the response to May's speech and specifically her declaration that we will be leaving the single market http://stephentall.org/2017/01/18/what-vote-leave-said-about-uk-membership-of-the-single-market/