Friern Manor (now with map)

[Chener Books]

I am about to go public on my reconstruction of the early mediaeval bounds of Friern Manor.

To save myself from potential embarrassment - has anyone already done this work?

Thanks.

John K

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The present East Dulwich is Friern Manor with bits and pieces tagged on in modern times.

The map has the Friern Manor reconstructed bounds marked in violet. The bounds are not where some people will expect.

This draft map needs to be digitised as a GIS layer. The GIS software and the Ordnance Survey datasets are loaded. I've had a personal demonstration of how to use both, but it will be a steep learning curve.

I will be writing a short evidence based paper to explain where I have placed the bounds. Then I expect an "interesting discussion".

I will try to answer any questions that anyone wants to ask here.

John K

[intexasatthe moment]

Well it doesn't matter if they have does it ? Sure there's room for more than one account .

I love historical detail about the area and am especially interested in this bit - where are you going public ?

How can I read it ?

[KidKruger]

Sounds really interesting, will this include the topographical content which (I think) you requested support on ?

KK

[silverfox]

Looks like I would have been one of the Baron's(?) serfs, or is that vassals?

[Chener Books]

Oh, silverfox!

If you had been naughty you could have been the slave and legally owned property of your feudal lord and been required to do his bidding at all times.

[silverfox]

Ouch, that's tough. Presumably the lord also had the Right of First Night.

[Chener Books]

Quality naughtiness might have been well rewarded.

However, I was expecting questions such as:

How confident are you about the course of the River Peck before it was culverted?

John K

[*Bob*]

How confident are you about the course of the River Peck before it was culverted?

[Chener Books]

I never expected such an erudite question.

Dewhirst's map of the Parish of Camberwell (c1842) clearly shows the original overground course of the River Peck.

John K

[Ted Max]

You seem quite nervous about your attempt to reconstruct the early mediaeval bounds of Friern Manor.

What's the controversy, John? Is it all about to kick off with the Peckham Society?

[silverfox]

When was Friern Manor disbanded? Ie, given the later enclosures acts that succeeding landlords may have introduced it cannot have been an easy task to trace the original medieval boundaries. I know tithes were paid to the church by landlords, the size of which was related to their land-holding but I don't know how the dissolution of the monasteries affected this and the records of land held.

[Chener Books]

Ted Max:

I didn't know there was society in Peckham. I will try to be respectful as befits my lowly station in life.

silverfox:

So far I have not found any evidence to show that Friern Manor has ceased to exist. It is possible that Camberwell Vestry "bought out" the manorial rights early on in the 19th century. Something to investigate further.

The rest of your question needs a long convoluted answer, but you are on the right lines. I'm afraid you'll have to take a rain check.

John K

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

How wonderful if it still exists. June 2nd, 2011 is Ascension Day, shall we beat the bounds and small boys?

[Chener Books]

I don't mind if it is Ascension or Rogation as long as the squire, the vicar, the lawyer, and the doctor provide the free feast for the beaters.

If you're intending to reinstate this tradition you may wish to compile a list of 2010 equivalents who have inherited an historical obligation to dig deep into their pockets and pay for a free feast for the beaters.

John K