48% in East Dulwich (EU-referendum group)

[rendelharris]

apbremer Wrote:

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> It just seems extraordinary to me, a mere ignorant

> uneducated Leaver, that you are all exercising

> your democratic rights to protest to try to

> overturn a democratic decision by the British

> electorate to rid ourselves of a hugely

> undemocratic Brussels Juggernaut. Ironic,eh?

You are aware that there was a democratic decision by the British electorate (by 67% in favour) to join Europe in 1975, and that leavers spent the next forty years trying to overturn that result? Or does the right to continue campaigning only apply to one side?

[apbremer]

Sorry but you miss my point totally. Brussels is hugely undemocratic, expensive and massively corrupt. The euro is just a German racket. The whole rotten edifice is tottering.

[JohnL]

apbremer Wrote:

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> Sorry but you miss my point totally. Brussels is

> hugely undemocratic, expensive and massively

> corrupt. The euro is just a German racket. The

> whole rotten edifice is tottering.

I'm afraid I don't have much faith in the UK establishment either.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/when-a-mafia-expert-tells-us-britain-is-the-most-corrupt-country-in-the-world-its-time-to-start-a7057686.html

We just do it in a British way :)

[rendelharris]

apbremer Wrote:

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> Sorry but you miss my point totally. Brussels is

> hugely undemocratic, expensive and massively

> corrupt. The euro is just a German racket. The

> whole rotten edifice is tottering.

No I haven't missed your point, subtle, well nuanced and backed by facts and argument as it isn't. You said you thought it was extraordinary that people were trying to "overturn a democratic decision by the British electorate." I simply pointed out that that is what the leave campaign have done for the last forty years.

[Loz]

apbremer Wrote:

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> Sorry but you miss my point totally. Brussels is

> hugely undemocratic, expensive and massively

> corrupt. The euro is just a German racket. The

> whole rotten edifice is tottering.

... so wouldn't it be deliciously ironic if the undemocratic, expensive, but oh-so-British House of Lords holds up or even stops the whole Brexit process. Hopefully by democratically pushing it back to the people for ratification once we see the deal on offer.

[apbremer]

The unelected House of Lords is a silly old anachronism that has little real power. Whilst it could still play silly games with Brexit ultimately it has to answer to the Commons which has a number of sanctions, even the ultimate one. My main gripe about Brussels, apart from open door mass migration, the crazed euro project, "ever close integration" and the enormous cost to the UK taxpayer, is that decisions are made by an unelected arrogant elite which cannot be held to account by anyone. As to wholesale corruption, The Big Boss Juncker presided for more than 20 years over Luxembourg, whose sole industry is tax avoidance, and denies even knowing anything about it. Say no more.

[JohnL]

apbremer Wrote:

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> The unelected House of Lords is a silly old

> anachronism that has little real power. Whilst it

> could still play silly games with Brexit

> ultimately it has to answer to the Commons which

> has a number of sanctions, even the ultimate one.

> My main gripe about Brussels, apart from open door

> mass migration, the crazed euro project, "ever

> close integration" and the enormous cost to the UK

> taxpayer, is that decisions are made by an

> unelected arrogant elite which cannot be held to

> account by anyone. As to wholesale corruption, The

> Big Boss Juncker presided for more than 20 years

> over Luxembourg, whose sole industry is tax

> avoidance, and denies even knowing anything about

> it. Say no more.

But 'unelected arrogant elite' is exactly what the so

called 'liberal elite' in London have been called - and

they are set to gain more power.

In fact we are set to become just like Luxembourg was.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/netherlands-brexit-tax-avoidance-trade-deal-lodewijk-asscher-theresa-may-conservatives-a7527656.html