Parliament must vote to trigger Article 50

[Lordship 516]

Ptolemy 2C AD referred to Ireland as "mikra Brettania" in his famous work - Almagest [Mathematike Syntaxis] & the current GB as "megale Britannia"

Conan Meriadoc 4C AD referred to Brittany as Brittanie Minor & UK as Brittanie Majore

The Irish refer to Wales as An Bhreatain Bheag [Little Britain] & England as An Bhreatain Mh?r [big Britain]

The EU press [especially Germans] are regularly mocking the UK as Little Britain...more to come.

[Seabag]

I'm good with Little Britain, it feels more accurate and affectionate.

I'm done with the crumby & pompous nature of anything else. I'm personally finding it easier to deal with our position, if I cut through the self aggrandisement of this wave of nationalism we're being swamped with, both here and globally.

In some backhanded way, I'm hoping we end up in a position based on reality, over our place in the global play that is today. All this laughable 'great nation' nonsense is like an anchor dragging us down.

This country is tiny, it's a boutique of ideas and niche products. That could be a very profitable position in itself. But the rest is harking back to days of old, and they're over, the world's moved on.

[Earl Aelfheah]

A potted history of the UK?s relationship with the EU (from the FT):

UK: Can we join?

EU: Non.

UK: Go on, please.

EU: OK then.

UK: We want a rebate.

EU: Here is a rebate.

UK: We want a single market.

EU: Here is a single market.

UK: We want EU expansion to the east.

EU: Here is EU expansion to the east.

UK: We want opt-outs on Schengen, on social policy, on the charter of fundamental rights, on the euro?

EU: Here are all your opt-outs.

[Pause.]

UK: Bye!

[JohnL]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> A potted history of the UK?s relationship with the

> EU (from the FT):

>

> UK: Can we join?

>

> EU: Non.

>

> UK: Go on, please.

>

> EU: OK then.

>

> UK: We want a rebate.

>

> EU: Here is a rebate.

>

> UK: We want a single market.

>

> EU: Here is a single market.

>

> UK: We want EU expansion to the east.

>

> EU: Here is EU expansion to the east.

>

> UK: We want opt-outs on Schengen, on social

> policy, on the charter of fundamental rights, on

> the euro?

>

> EU: Here are all your opt-outs.

>

>

>

> UK: Bye!

about right

No wonder they think, why did we bother :)

[malumbu]

Useful article on May's position and the impact of domestic politics - she can bring down the economy but will still win the next election. It's a proper article not fake news. Could equally go in the Corbyn thread.

http://www.globalgovernmentforum.com/mays-hard-brexit-starting-position-or-ultimate-goal/

[Angelina]

is fake news the same as alternative truth?

[red devil]

Alternative truth?!

C'mon, get your post-facts right...

[JohnL]

More and more people getting into it now. I didn't see it, It didn't happen.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-united-jose-mourinho-refuses-to-accept-unbeaten-run-a7548631.html

[red devil]

I've no idea what you're on about JohnL...

[pato]

red devil Wrote:

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> I've no idea what you're on about JohnL...

Same as

50% of the country

100% of europe

and 90% of the world with Theresa May!

Trump understands Her though..Maybe not able to spell her name but They do understand each other..

[Angelina]

If anyone asks, deny deny deny

[vito]

..difficult to deny once they holding hands..

At least T May won something! If not any election, if not the referendum (as she was against brexit little before referendum..)at least She won the race to be the first one to lick Mr trump feet..

Just remind me: Who were all the others PM rushing there forming a huge queue outside the white house??...

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[Seabag]

Well, TMPM isn't exactly bogged down with dates with other PM's.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I thought Ken Clarke was fantastic in parliament yesterday during the Brexit debate. If you haven't seen it, worth a 'google'.

[JohnL]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> I thought Ken Clarke was fantastic in parliament

> yesterday during the Brexit debate. If you haven't

> seen it, worth a 'google'.

He has improved with age (and he seems less unkempt)

[????]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> I thought Ken Clarke was fantastic in parliament

> yesterday during the Brexit debate. If you haven't

> seen it, worth a 'google'.

Yes . To quote from the Torygraph:

"Labour has failed as an opposition, so Ken Clarke's doing their job for them...."

[red devil]

True dat, specifically Corbyn...

[????]

red devil Wrote:

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> True dat, specifically Corbyn...

May wiped the floor with him today which is petty telling given the overall 'situation'! "He can lead a protest, I can lead a country"