So seriously, does anyone still think that Corbyn is a good opposition leader? Really?

[malumbu]

Meant to add that our less General Election also contributed to Trump getting in. Yes it is a big conspiracy theory

[rendelharris]

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> Has he?

>

> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sadi

> q-khan-accused-of-breaking-election-promise-to-fre

> eze-london-transport-fares-a7070496.html

Yep, he promised Tfl fares would be frozen for four years and they have been. He never promised that DfT fares would be frozen, as he can't. I refer the honorable gentleman to Mr.Khan's mayoral manifesto (direct quote): "I will freeze all TfL fares and charges for the Mayor?s cycle hire scheme for four years." That's what he promised, that's what he's done. Those who point at the DfT fares, over which he has no control, going up are accusing him of reneging on a pledge he never made.

[rendelharris]

malumbu Wrote:

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> As for SK, didn't he propose JC in the first

> place?

He did, but only in the same way as others did, in their "broaden the debate" initiative (admittedly it looks like a bloody silly thing to have done now). SK didn't vote for Corbyn in the leadership election.

[Loz]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Trouble is people like us (certainly me) did not

> get the government of our choice (I'd have been

> revealed if we'd had more of the same,

> irrespective that I didn't vote for either of them

> and Lib Dem traitors).

Hmmm. Dontcha just wish them Lib Dem 'traitors' were still holding the balance of power? We wouldn't be in this Brexit mess, for a start.

[titch juicy]

The worst Labour leader in living memory?

I mean for goodness sake, tweeting that the real fight starts now!

Ummmm, how about 12 months ago Jezza?!

[dbboy]

So ANOTHER leadership contest, apparently has already given a day on which he wants to step down but that is denied.

[Otta]

And yet plenty of deluded muppets still seem to think he's the one.

[????]

I think Labour will hold on in Stoke (even put some money on it) so he'll likely limp on - but if they lose both of the bi-elections, I can't see 'Big Len' not pulling the plug...

[JohnL]

Stoke is Huge for Labour and UKIP.

[????]

You Gov have published their approval ratings. Jezza is now polling negative in:

Every Demographic - class, age, gender

Every Region

AND

among Labour voters

That's absolutely unprecedented

[titch juicy]

???? Wrote:

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> You Gov have published their approval ratings.

> Jezza is now polling negative in:

>

> Every Demographic - class, age, gender

> Every Region

>

> AND

>

> among Labour voters

>

> That's absolutely unprecedented

I've been trying to find a link to the results- do you have one by any chance?

[????]

go to You Gov

[Loz]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

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> -----

> > You Gov have published their approval ratings.

> > Jezza is now polling negative in:

> >

> > Every Demographic - class, age, gender

> > Every Region

> >

> > AND

> >

> > among Labour voters

> >

> > That's absolutely unprecedented

>

>

> I've been trying to find a link to the results- do

> you have one by any chance?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyns-approval-rating-slides-into-net-negative-for-every-demographic_uk_589d9c95e4b094a129ea0a87

[rendelharris]

???? Wrote:

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> You Gov have published their approval ratings.

> Jezza is now polling negative in:

>

> Every Demographic - class, age, gender

> Every Region

>

> AND

>

> among Labour voters

>

> That's absolutely unprecedented

"Anthony Wells, Research Director at YouGov told The Huffington Post UK: ?In short, looking at any measure of polling Jeremy Corbyn is doing badly as Labour leader, but it?s by no means unprecedented.... Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg were both perceived far more negatively than Corbyn.""

I want him to go but let's keep it real.

[titch juicy]

Loz Wrote:

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> titch juicy Wrote:

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> > ???? Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > You Gov have published their approval

> ratings.

> > > Jezza is now polling negative in:

> > >

> > > Every Demographic - class, age, gender

> > > Every Region

> > >

> > > AND

> > >

> > > among Labour voters

> > >

> > > That's absolutely unprecedented

> >

> >

> > I've been trying to find a link to the results-

> do

> > you have one by any chance?

>

> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corby

> ns-approval-rating-slides-into-net-negative-for-ev

> ery-demographic_uk_589d9c95e4b094a129ea0a87

Thanks

[Earl Aelfheah]

He's a disaster, but who would people like to see succeed him? If there was an obvious, strong, alternative candidate he'd have been replaced already.

[rendelharris]

Genuine question, would Clive Lewis be a good leader? He seems to tick a lot of boxes - particularly having served in Afghanistan, which would really confuse the Daily Mail when they tried to attack him as unpatriotic.

[DaveR]

"He's a disaster, but who would people like to see succeed him? If there was an obvious, strong, alternative candidate he'd have been replaced already."

I think the view of the majority of the PLP is that any alternative candidate would be likely to do a better job than Corbyn, but he hasn't been replaced because the current membership of the Party at large support him. The selection of someone like Clive Lewis, a self-proclaimed "unashamed socialist" but without the baggage of someone like J McDonnell or D Abbott, would at least allow Labour to have a go at being a real left wing party but with a competent leader. I still don't think they would have a prayer of winning a GE but likely to be a lot better at being an effective opposition.

[Otta]

I suspect a lot of the PLP have decided to just try to hang one and let brexit move on a bit.

If Lewis took over now he'd be slaughtered for voting against article 50 (not by me, but I don't matter).

[Loz]

So, all the Labour MPs who defied Corbyn are now going to be given a written warning. And not just any old written warning... a *formal* written warning.

I bet they are trembling in their boots. That'll learn them.

[jaywalker]

It looks increasingly likely they will lose Stoke to UKIP. Very incisive on the ground report in the FT today - their campaign in total disarray. FT thinks they might even lose the other one to the Tories.

Time for the reasonable ones to rally round Clarke and form a centre party. The days of the dual-party system are coming to a rapid end.

[????]

You may be shocked to hear it Jayw but i couldn't agree more with your last 2 sentences