A general thread to discuss Trump

[TheCat]

No matter one's opinion of trump/hong kong/china/ etc...once has to give credit to this punchy put down of Pelosi from Chinese state controlled media today.....

[Sephiroth]

It sure wasn?t remainers going around for the last 4 years bigging up Trump

From Farage, to Johnson, the haunted pencil and various Brexity pundits - they were all on board the Trump train

[TheCat]

yes, okay then...there were 17m odd people who voted to leave...but you've provided examples of at least 3 individuals who at one time or another said something supportive of something Donald trump did.

Case closed. Sorry to have troubled you.

[diable rouge]

How ridiculous for someone to say Trump and Brexit are somehow entwined...

Going down..

[KidKruger]

Blah - unfortunately, I think Trump had and has a complete ?understanding of the significance of what his words at that DC rally caused?.

It?s why he said those words, no doubt.

I think Trump hates the American Govt structures and the establishment. He wants to piss all over it and burn it down at the same time (probably a challenge in literal terms !).

None of it serves him anymore so damn it, destroy what?s there to be destroyed.

I think there?s more to come IF his enablers continue to do just that, bend over to any and all demands and facilitate further harm to the US.

[JohnL]

America had a written constitution to fall back on when trouble came (and even then it could have gone badly if the Senate had voted with the crazies). I'm not sure what would happen if a government in the UK decided it wasn't leaving ever.

[Blah Blah]

The irony for me is that those who buy into conspiracy theories like Q-Anon, espouse the idea of a deep state etc. But when you look at the photo above, you see who that deep state really is. It is politicians, some of whom they bat for, and media outlets, like Breitbart (Raheem Kassam and great defender of Tommy Robinson in that photo too), and wealthy businessmen that bankrolled Brexit etc etc. The whole thing is a con. They are the swamp.

[TheCat]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> How ridiculous for someone to say Trump and Brexit

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Nigel Farage also likes to drink beer I beleive. Therefore all people who drink beer must also support Trump.

[KidKruger]

I?m a massive Trump fan !!

[diable rouge]

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> Nigel Farage also likes to drink beer I beleive.

> Therefore all people who drink beer must also

> support Trump.

Nige and Don discuss the merits of the latest IPA...

A bit too much on the dark side for my liking, I'll stick with the blondes

[JohnL]

Americans make great IPA these days (I think the trend is New England IPA).

For am originally Lager country they suddenly took to IPA for some reason (not sure if it's Trump related)

[malumbu]

Beg to differ, the generic American IPA is totally overflavoured fizz made in beer factories not small artisan breweries in Oregan. Twenty odd years ago it was very different. A small brewer from the UK, Peter Austin, revolutionised the craft beer industry in the states being credited with the setting up of 74 small breweries there. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jan/09/peter-austin Trouble is after a week of this type of beer, or a week of Meantime, you just want something more subtle - British ale, or even German or Czech lager.

So you go out to a trendy pub or bar and there are six fizzy expensive beers on tap, 5 to 6 % all overhopped American IPA styles. Some zingy with lemon, or worse still with flowers in them.

But it's another great example of emperor's new clothes - like krispy kremes and harabo sweets. the food of the devil

I am sure others can tell us of the good old days of ice cider/lager, alcopops and tasteless Mexican style beer with a lime in it.

I enjoyed my beer drinking in the states in the last century, and came across the most wonderfully stocked off license in the world in Colorado with both new and old world beers. They almost had a heart attack as one of us opened their can of beer - NO THIS IS NOT AN OPEN LIQUOR STATE (ie you cannot consume alcohol in public)

Not sure how this thread got onto American beer.

[TheCat]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Not sure how this thread got onto American beer.

Well it's obviously becuase people were lied to by a sign on a bus which said we would get 350m quid worth of beer a week from Trump. And no one knew what type of Trump they were voting for, so they decided to all eat chlorinated chicken with their beer. But the chickens all turned out to be rascist chickens, and the colour of the boxes the beer came in was red, when everyone who voted really wanted blue boxes of beer. FInally everyone had had too much beer (including Trump) and it was decided that people that didn't drink beer were a total bunch of covfefe's.....

Of course that decision was only advisory....so ignore all of that....

[diable rouge]

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[malumbu]

Anyway to return to the subject, I've done lots of marches in the past, the odd one turning nasty (poll tax being the best example) and was in Whitehall when a few thousand students were kettled there in 2010, but never experienced a situation where the police were not able to maintain control. Wasn't at Luton when Millwall ran the OB but that is another story.

Be interesting to hear why they were so poorly prepared.

[KidKruger]

Probably because (a) protestors were white, and (b) if the Capitol cops weren?t actually cops they?d be amongst the crowd of protestors breaking in.

i.e. Looking after your own

Would?ve been a different story for a BLM protest.

[Seabag]

ThatCat just won?t leave it alone

Me me me meooow!

[TheCat]

Seabag Wrote:

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Have another look Seabag, I wasn't the one to raise Brexit and shoehorn it into this thread.

I thought we were just all raising contrived and tenuous links between trump and brexit, so just wanted to join in with the cool kids.

[diable rouge]

Meanwhile, fast forward to 2045...

Remember the days when you could get a decent blonde IPA?

Yeah, but they were all foreign, at least this pint of warm pish is English...

[malumbu]

Inaccurate picture, now we have left Europe as well as bars just for blokes, everyone will be expected to smoke. At least the ashtrays are there.

[diable rouge]

Gottle of geer!...

[j.a.]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Have another look Seabag, I wasn't the one to

> raise Brexit and shoehorn it into this thread.

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> I thought we were just all raising contrived and

> tenuous links between trump and brexit, so just

> wanted to join in with the cool kids.

No, I think Seabag?s got it right here.

You didn?t have to go down that route, you just wanted to because it makes you feel better.

But hey, you do you - you always have. Don?t know why anyone?s surprised.

[KidKruger]

Meanwhile back in America most senators and commentators criticise the president while leaving him sat there in office.

Even Kayleigh Macaney (sp.) made an appearance to condemn the actions 'on behalf of the entire White House', though whether she did that as 'press secretary', an 'independent commentator', or the 'campaign advisor', remains unclear this time !

Based on everyone's responses so far I'm guessing nothing will change, Trump will do whatever he wants to do next because no-one will stop him, they'll all just try to forget the whole episode when he leaves office, and the next BLM march will get smashed to bits as the police show they can mobilise 'when necessary'.

[JohnL]

I left CNN on this afternoon and all I've heard is prosecute him, remove him. Only 12 days left though.

Can they try him after he's left - sort of erase him from history :)

[KidKruger]

yeah but few (not enough) republicans are being vocal and I think the VP has to initiate, hence Pelosi threatening to start impeachment proceedings.

Realistically, I think they're scared to use amendment25 and there's some complexity (clause4) which would cause loads of delay/obstacles.