Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Some of you may be aware that there's an organisation called Dulwich Going Greener. DGG is a charity set up in 2006 to work towards a greener and more low-carbon Dulwich (SE21 and SE22). It's all about the practical green things that people can do locally. The idea for the organisation grew out of an event at the Dulwich Festival that year.


The intention of this post is to establish a focus for DGG on EDF and to encourage dialogue about practical green work in Dulwich (rather than just having random DGG events posts in the Events section).


You can find the DGG website at http://www.dulwichgoinggreener.org.uk/ and we're on twitter too at @dulwichgreener

You can find most of our events posted to the Events section of EDF, but we also run a mailing list which you can join on the DGG website if you want to get monthly updates in your inbox.


Tomorrow night (Thursday, 8pm) we've got a fab film on, Pig Business, which is the result of four years of exploration of intensive pig farming.

http://www.pigbusiness.co.uk/

We're really lucky to have the film's director, Tracy Worcester, along to discuss and answer your questions. Tracy attends only a small number of screenings and is fairly busy advising UN-type institutions, so this is a bit of a coup!

Check out the Events section for full info:

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?6,561498


DGG is an umbrella for a range of practical local projects, which include Dulwich Vegetable Garden. DVG is a demonstrator veg garden in Dulwich Park (behind Rosebery Lodge, on Dulwich Common). It took quite a lot of effort to get the whole thing off the ground. There are now regular work days for volunteers, normally one during the week and one at the weekend (yes, the volunteers get to eat the veggies!). The next one coming up will be on Sunday 14th Nov (10.30-12.30). You can follow DVG on twitter at @DulwichDVG to find out what's coming up.


There are also other really fab projects, such as the Secret Greenhouse on Half Moon Lane. Check out the DGG website for more info.


Other stuff:


We've been running regular environment-related films and talks upstairs at the Crown & Greyhound. The series continues.


We've run a Give and Take event in conjunction with Southwark Council and Veolia, at the Francis Peak Centre in Dulwich Park (very successful) and are hoping to run some more. This is kind of like 'Freecycle in person'.


We're starting a push on allotments. Southwark Council seems to be really hands off on this, and there's a massive shortage locally. Whether it's individual allotments, community allotments, community-supported agriculture or anything similar, we're interested in your experiences and ideas about what could be done. And we're also interested in hearing from you if you'd like an allotment or other growing space and can't get one.

Please do contact me at [email protected], as I'm trying to pull this one together over coming weeks.


We're planning to do something pretty major as part of the Dulwich Park fair end of the Dulwich Festival in May 2011. More news on this very soon, as it's still really, really early days, but I have to confess it's going to be loads of fun.


And lots more...


If you'd like to get involved, do get in touch. If there's something that you'd like to see us doing which we're not doing currently, likewise. This is an interesting journey, and all contributions and thoughts are very welcome.


Lou

[email protected]



Edited to add email address.

Link to comment
https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14231-dulwich-going-greener/
Share on other sites

I think this is all fabulous.

So ironic that the council use ungreen petrol filled machines which their staff use to blow leaves form place a to place b.

I questioned them about this; they replied it was cheaper than hiring lots of human leaf sweepers.

So that's okay then.

But good for you and this whole project.

Thanks PeckhamRose. All encouragement gratefully received, and all ideas too.


Clearly, public authorities like Southwark Council are on a learning path ;-) They may end up somewhere different to where they are right now, given current/future developments (peak oil, 'workfare' type schemes by the ConDems...).


*Some* of the time we can help fix things by talking, informing and putting points of view or bringing pressure to bear. That's part of the role we see DGG having; it's often hard to achieve things when you're an individual as you often don't get listened to with any seriousness by The Powers That Be.

Maybe I should let others say what they thought about the film, but I've seen it twice now and I'd just like to reassure people what is is, and what it isn't. In the film, there's lots of chat with politicians, scientists, representatives of the big US company that's now moved into Europe, local people who live near these giant factory farms, and farmers.... This is not a film of undercover how-pigs-live (there's just a tiny bit of that, a micro-segment of footage from Compassion in World Farming). It's just super-informative about what all the different parties involved think about the issue. There are significant parallels with the planned super-cow herd (was 8,000 cows, now 4,000 cows after public protest) in Lincolnshire. I'm totally happy to arrange further screening of either version (there is a director's cut too).



On another issue entirely, we're planning to start doing green drinks in East/Dulwich. Completely informal gathering in a local hostelry, preferably with good beer, once a month. Where would you like to see green drinks happening? Should we rotate venues or stay in one? Which is the best night not to clash with other regular events you're likely to want to attend?


Lou

I tried to get involved with dulwich going greener. I went to speak to them about volunteering as a gardener and was told my help wasn't needed and but I could leaflet for them as no one wanted to do that. The woman was actually quite rude and inferred I didn't have horticultural knowledge. I'm a qualified gardener. I then saw another DGG trying to encourage someone else to help with gardening. I hope if you sincerely want people to join your group you need to get truly open minded and inclusive of all of dulwich instead of moaning that the rich people have taken all the land and its not fair whilst turning down the help of people who you don't perceive to fit the DGG image.

DV1


I don't think anyone's advocating rearing little piggies on Goose Green as an economic alternative, :) although fat little geese did use to hang out there on their way to market.


It's about knowing what you're buying in the shops and having sufficient info, to ensure what you are buying is not full of all kinds of external and unsustainable (and often awful) consequences.


So, what does the package say, in the supermarket? Does it say 'Smithfield - Made in Poland'? No, never. They never say it's made in Poland or Romania, though it often is. There's just some generic Eurpoean labelling. But the conditions in those places in Poland and Romania are truly crap, both for the animals and for those that live around these enormo-industrial places (including neighbouring kids in schools!). You would not want your dog (if you had one) to be hanging around those places. So why buy you meat from exactly those places and feed it to your kids?


As a bacon addict, I'm more than dismayed at what is happening in the name of cheap food. We can do so much better. We are consumers; we can decide. We used to spend 30% of income on food; now it's more like 10% and still people say "it's too expensive".


Smaller farmers are doing what they can in this country, but as the law stands they are competing under EU law against producers elsewhere that don't have to comply with the same animal welfare regulations that they do. Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me. We really need our farmers, now and even more so in the future (when oil gets more expensive or even when the Saudi's won't sell it to us any more).

berryberry Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> I tried to get involved with dulwich going

> greener. I went to speak to them about

> volunteering as a gardener and was told my help

> wasn't needed and but I could leaflet for them as

> no one wanted to do that. The woman was actually

> quite rude and inferred I didn't have

> horticultural knowledge. I'm a qualified gardener.


I'm somewhat mystified by this. Nobody leaflets for us. We do our publicity online.


For Dulwich Vegetable Garden, we have regular work sessions mid-week and weekends, every week, and quite a few people turn up (even babies!).



Here's the latest DVG update which went out yesterday from Andy:


----

Hello DVG-ers. Just to remind you that there are still work sessions in the vegetable garden - next ones are Sunday 14th, Tuesday 16th & Sunday 21st November, at 10.30-12.30. We've lifted a lot of the spent crops but need help to continue getting the garden ready for winter (gathering fallen leaves for leaf mould, spreading manure etc) to get a real headstart in the spring. Do come along and help - we'd love to see you.

As usual, these are open to anyone, including toddlers!


----


Nobody is a qualified horticulturalist or qualified anything else, garden/veg-wise! And anybody can sign up online, follow the Facebook group, follow DVG on twitter etc. and get involved through any channel.



> I then saw another DGG trying to encourage someone

> else to help with gardening.


I'm not at all sure what this means. Another DGG? As far as I know, there is only one! (?)


I hope if you

> sincerely want people to join your group you need

> to get truly open minded and inclusive of all of

> dulwich instead of moaning that the rich people

> have taken all the land and its not fair whilst

> turning down the help of people who

> perceive to fit the DGG image.


We have young families with babies and no garden, singles who'd like to socialise, veterans on bicycles, members of the Dulwich Society or Dulwich Park Friends, local teachers, professionals such as accountants and lawyers and photographers, the self-employed, eco-educators, the retired, translators, students, experts in shorthand, and the more fortunate and landed.... Some of us fall into more than one group. :) Really, it's all sorts and very democratic. All of the projects that have started are the result of people deciding they wanted to do something. I don't think we've turned down any help from anybody, any time.


Is there something you'd like to do? Why not let us know?


Lou

Alec John Moore Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> dv1, are you suggesting we should believe what we

> read in the Daily Mail?


(Alec: Oh, I hardly dared raise the Daily Wail issue. They do pay their freelancers *extremely* well though, and there will always be those writers who value that.)


dv1: What do you mean by 'overseas'? Some of 'overseas' is governed by European regulations. A whole lot more is not; and in those places standards are pretty low. Both Poland and Romania are pretty bad. You 'remember reading'... Can you point to where/what/when you read?


Standards are not 'high' in the UK, it has to be said. In my view, they should be higher.


Why not look at the specific evidence? For example, on use of farrowing crates country by country? What the law says.

Dulwich Library is now has 'Sustainable Energy - Without the Hot Air' in stock.


Really practical info, such as

- the economics of low energy bulbs

- the truth about chargers

- gadgets that really suck


If you're interested in controlling your energy usage (home, transport, holidays...) this is probably a worthwhile book to look at.


We're interested in other green books you'd like to see Southwark libraries stocking.

Be mystified. I was turned away and my offer of help reject at the dulwich festival fair at dulwich park. The woman I spoke to was unpleasant, he name was Louise or Louisa, had messy blond hair and was about 45. I'm a member of the public and that was my experience of DGG. It came across as a bit personal actually and I was shocked because I've set up a similar scheme in devon and was really looking forward to getting involved.

I could say that India has a Ministry of New and Renewable Energy, most of the NGOs that have been set up in China over the last few years are environment organisations and under President Obama the US government has taken a more positive attitude towards international agreements on climate change but I don't think that would be of interest to dv1. We are all human and we only have one planet and some of us feel that we have to do something to mitigate the effects of climate change.


Personally I also think its wasteful not to reuse things.

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion" From Wikipedia.


Really, is that what you think of anyone who disagrees with you? Well done. You worked it out. Clever.

berryberry - I too am slightly mystified and sorry that you've had a bad experience. As Louisiana posted earlier with some great examples, there is no "DGG image" - we're a complete mixed bunch. The Dulwich Vegetable Garden project has a healthy pool of over 100 active and potentially interested volunteers and most of us have no horticultural knowledge so we tend to rely on those who do as well as learning from our mistakes. People can drop in and out of sessions whenever they want - regular attendance is not a pre-condition of getting involved.


We have regular volunteer work sessions and ALL are welcome to come along.


Find out about forthcoming sessions by sending an email to "[email protected]" and asking to be added to the regular email newsletter. Alternatively, you can follow the project on Twitter (@DulwichDVG) or find us on Facebook.


Find out more about this and other Dulwich Going Greener (DGG) projects on the DGG website.


All the best

Andy

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • The is very low water pressure in the middle of Friern Road this morning.
    • I think mostly those are related to the same "issues". In my experience, it's difficult using the pin when reporting problems, especially if you're on a mobile... There's two obvious leaks in that stretch and has been for sometime one of them apparently being sewer flooding 😱  
    • BBC Homepage Skip to content Accessibility Help EFor you Notifications More menu Search BBC                     BBC News Menu   UK England N. Ireland Scotland Alba Wales Cymru Isle of Man Guernsey Jersey Local News Vets under corporate pressure to increase revenue, BBC told   Image source,Getty Images ByRichard Bilton, BBC Panorama and Ben Milne, BBC News Published 2 hours ago Vets have told BBC Panorama they feel under increasing pressure to make money for the big companies that employ them - and worry about the costly financial impact on pet owners. Prices charged by UK vets rose by 63% between 2016 and 2023, external, and the government's competition regulator has questioned whether the pet-care market - as it stands - is giving customers value for money. One anonymous vet, who works for the UK's largest vet care provider, IVC Evidensia, said that the company has introduced a new monitoring system that could encourage vets to offer pet owners costly tests and treatment options. A spokesperson for IVC told Panorama: "The group's vets and vet nurses never prioritise revenue or transaction value over and above the welfare of the animal in their care." More than half of all UK households are thought to own a pet, external. Over the past few months, hundreds of pet owners have contacted BBC Your Voice with concerns about vet bills. One person said they had paid £5,600 for 18 hours of vet-care for their pet: "I would have paid anything to save him but felt afterwards we had been taken advantage of." Another described how their dog had undergone numerous blood tests and scans: "At the end of the treatment we were none the wiser about her illness and we were presented with a bill of £13,000."   Image caption, UK pet owners spent £6.3bn on vet and other pet-care services in 2024, according to the CMA Mounting concerns over whether pet owners are receiving a fair deal prompted a formal investigation by government watchdog, the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA). In a provisional report, external at the end of last year, it identified several issues: Whether vet companies are being transparent about the ownership of individual practices and whether pet owners have enough information about pricing The concentration of vet practices and clinics in the hands of six companies - these now control 60% of the UK's pet-care market Whether this concentration has led to less market competition and allowed some vet care companies to make excess profits 'Hitting targets' A vet, who leads one of IVC's surgeries (and who does not want to be identified because they fear they could lose their job), has shared a new internal document with Panorama. The document uses a colour code to compare the company's UK-wide tests and treatment options and states that it is intended to help staff improve clinical care. It lists key performance indicators in categories that include average sales per patient, X-rays, ultrasound and lab tests. The vet is worried about the new policy: "We will have meetings every month, where one of the area teams will ask you how many blood tests, X-rays and ultrasounds you're doing." If a category is marked in green on the chart, the clinic would be judged to be among the company's top 25% of achievers in the UK. A red mark, on the other hand, would mean the clinic was in the bottom 25%. If this happens, the vet says, it might be asked to come up with a plan of action. The vet says this would create pressure to "upsell" services. Panorama: Why are vet bills so high? Are people being priced out of pet ownership by soaring bills? Watch on BBC iPlayer now or BBC One at 20:00 on Monday 12 January (22:40 in Northern Ireland) Watch on iPlayer For instance, the vet says, under the new model, IVC would prefer any animal with suspected osteoarthritis to potentially be X-rayed. With sedation, that could add £700 to a bill. While X-rays are sometimes necessary, the vet says, the signs of osteoarthritis - the thickening of joints, for instance - could be obvious to an experienced vet, who might prefer to prescribe a less expensive anti-inflammatory treatment. "Vets shouldn't have pressure to do an X-ray because it would play into whether they are getting green on the care framework for their clinic." IVC has told Panorama it is extremely proud of the work its clinical teams do and the data it collects is to "identify and close gaps in care for our patients". It says its vets have "clinical independence", and that prioritising revenue over care would be against the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons' (RCVS) code and IVC policy. Vets say they are under pressure to bring in more money per pet   Published 15 April 2025 Vets should be made to publish prices, watchdog says   Published 15 October 2025 The vet says a drive to increase revenue is undermining his profession. Panorama spoke to more than 30 vets in total who are currently working, or have worked, for some of the large veterinary groups. One recalls being told that not enough blood tests were being taken: "We were pushed to do more. I hated opening emails." Another says that when their small practice was sold to a large company, "it was crazy... It was all about hitting targets". Not all the big companies set targets or monitor staff in this way. The high cost of treatment UK pet owners spent £6.3bn on vet and other pet-care services in 2024 - equal to just over £365 per pet-owning household, according to the CMA. However, most pet owners in the UK do not have insurance, and bills can leave less-well-off families feeling helpless when treatment is needed. Many vets used not to display prices and pet owners often had no clear idea of what treatment would cost, but in the past two years that has improved, according to the CMA. Rob Jones has told Panorama that when his family dog, Betty, fell ill during the autumn of 2024 they took her to an emergency treatment centre, Vets Now, and she underwent an operation that cost almost £5,000. Twelve days later, Betty was still unwell, and Rob says he was advised that she could have a serious infection. He was told a diagnosis - and another operation - would cost between £5,000-£8,000.   Image caption, Betty's owners were told an operation on her would cost £12,000 However, on the morning of the operation, Rob was told this price had risen to £12,000. When he complained, he was quoted a new figure - £10,000. "That was the absolute point where I lost faith in them," he says. "It was like, I don't believe that you've got our interests or Betty's interests at heart." The family decided to put Betty to sleep. Rob did not know at the time that both his local vet, and the emergency centre, branded Vets Now, where Betty was treated, were both owned by the same company - IVC. He was happy with the treatment but complained about the sudden price increase and later received an apology from Vets Now. It offered him £3,755.59 as a "goodwill gesture".   Image caption, Rob Jones says he lost faith in the vets treating his pet dog Betty Vets Now told us its staff care passionately for the animals they treat: "In complex cases, prices can vary depending on what the vet discovers during a consultation, during the treatment, and depending on how the patient responds. "We have reviewed our processes and implemented a number of changes to ensure that conversations about pricing are as clear as possible." Value for money? Independent vet practices have been a popular acquisition for corporate investors in recent years, according to Dr David Reader from the University of Glasgow. He has made a detailed study of the industry. Pet care has been seen as attractive, he says, because of the opportunities "to find efficiencies, to consolidate, set up regional hubs, but also to maximise profits". Six large veterinary groups (sometimes referred to as LVGs) now control 60% of the UK pet care market - up from 10% a decade ago, according to the CMA, external. They are: Linnaeus, which owns 180 practices Medivet, which has 363 Vet Partners with 375 practices CVS Group, which has 387 practices Pets at Home, which has 445 practices under the name Vets for Pets IVC Evidensia, which has 900 practices When the CMA announced its provisional findings last autumn, it said there was not enough competition or informed choice in the market. It estimated the combined cost of this to UK pet owners amounted to £900m between 2020-2024. Corporate vets dispute the £900m figure. They say their prices are competitive and made freely available, and reflect their huge investment in the industry, not to mention rising costs, particularly of drugs. The corporate vets also say customers value their services highly and that they comply with the RCVS guidelines.   Image caption, A CMA survey suggests pet owners are happy with the service they receive from vets A CMA survey suggests pet owners are happy with their vets - both corporate and independent - when it comes to quality of service. But, with the exception of Pets at Home, customer satisfaction on cost is much lower for the big companies. "I think that large veterinary corporations, particularly where they're owned by private equity companies, are more concerned about profits than professionals who own veterinary businesses," says Suzy Hudson-Cooke from the British Veterinary Union, which is part of Unite. Proposals for change The CMA's final report on the vet industry is expected by the spring but no date has been set for publication. In its provisional report, it proposed improved transparency on pricing and vet ownership. Companies would have to reveal if vet practices were part of a chain, and whether they had business connections with hospitals, out-of-hours surgeries, online pharmacies and even crematoria. IVC, CVS and Vet Partners all have connected businesses and would have to be more transparent about their services in the future. Pets at Home does not buy practices - it works in partnership with individual vets, as does Medivet. These companies have consistently made clear in their branding who owns their practices. The big companies say they support moves to make the industry more transparent so long as they don't put too high a burden on vets. David Reader says the CMA proposals could have gone further. "There's good reason to think that once this investigation is concluded, some of the larger veterinary groups will continue with their acquisition strategies." The CMA says its proposals would "improve competition by helping pet owners choose the right vet, the right treatment, and the right way to buy medicine - without confusion or unnecessary cost". For Rob Jones, however, it is probably too late. "I honestly wouldn't get another pet," he says. "I think it's so expensive now and the risk financially is so great.             Food Terms of Use About the BBC Privacy Policy Cookies Accessibility Help Parental Guidance Contact the BBC Make an editorial complaint BBC emails for you Copyright © 2026 BBC. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Read about our approach to external linking.
    • What does the area with the blue dotted lines and the crossed out water drop mean? No water in this area? So many leaks in the area.
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...