8 June

[JohnL]

???? Wrote:

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> interesting that since the recent opinion polls

> all the tinfoil hatted Canary led - "fake polls"

> "all owned by tories" garbage has disappeared off

> Social Media

The controversy IIRC was how "Don't Knows" were allocated.

Maybe "Don't Knows" are now falling.

Although 5 will probably be as close as he comes I'd think.

[Otta]

RE The Canary, I would encourage each of you to do a simple test. Next time you see a link to a Canary article that says something like "the story the mainstream media didn't want you to see", google the subject and I'll bet you find loads of links (usually from a couple of months before at least) from the BBC and various "mainstream" papers.

I completely agree that the Murdoch owned press is terrible right wing garbage. But I consider The Canary to be no better than Breitbart.

[Jeremy]

The Canary is absolutely terrible, I despair at the number of FB friends who link to this garbage on a daily basis.

[JohnL]

Winder Wrote:

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> Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> > Can we have our police back now please?

>

> Had the Manchester atrocity happened 3 weeks

> earlier, I wonder how many manifestos would have

> featured a cutback in the foreign aid budget to

> fund anti-terrorism at home.

I don't know whether I've always misunderstood foreign aid.

But it's there for British interests not as some gift. India asked us to stop giving aid but we refused.

"Last week India rejected the British-built Typhoon jet as preferred candidate for a ?6.3 billion warplane deal, despite the Development Secretary, Andrew Mitchell, saying that Britain?s aid to Delhi was partly ?about seeking to sell Typhoon.?"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9061844/India-tells-Britain-We-dont-want-your-aid.html

[????]

I think Corbyn's policies are barmy but his campaign has been way, way above my expectations - really well managed and he's done well. Gallons more competence than I expected.

Meanwhile, May's..........er.......

[Otta]

Guessing you've seen this Quids.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/this-is-the-worst-tory-election-campaign-ever/#

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Corbyn has made a speech on Security - and it

> wasn't bad.

>

> The old guy thrives in this type of campaign - May

> (probably will still win) but she made a mistake

> here.

As someone who always voted (with one regrettable exception) for Labour: I believe strongly in Labour's ability to take this bump in popularity and somehow mess it all up.

[jaywalker]

Otta Wrote:

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> Guessing you've seen this Quids.

>

> https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/this-is-the-wo

> rst-tory-election-campaign-ever/#

Thanks Otta. That says it all. Philip Collins in the Times was on a similar track today: May has been "rumbled". She is second-rate. The Tories hoped they could bounce an election victory before that became clear. And this from The Times for God's sake.

Corbyn continues to play a very good game. People will completely understand and agree with his remarks on Blair's wars today. As for defence: could someone who thinks the review of nuclear weapons that Labour promises is wrong provide me with a circumstance in which they would instruct their use? I have yet to hear any such clarification.

[Seabag]

Borky Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > FFS. Everytime I travel to Europe, the pound

> seems

> > to drop again.

>

>

> After brexit, you will have no need to leave this

> sceptered isle - everything you will ever have

> wanted will be here.

Wot, even potatoes that taste nice?

[malumbu]

I think that it must be time for a good conference, perhaps Sheffield? And could the last person to leave Britain after Brexit turn the light out. It's the EDF wot dun it. Up yours Delors.

[Louisa]

I love how the state of the polls, yes the polls. Remember them? Have somehow managed to convince even perfectly logical forum contributors to believe that now the race has tightented. These are the same polling companies who said Cameron/Miliband were neck and neck through the last campaign, and were catastrophically wrong. The same polls predicted Clinton would win, and that Brexit wouldn't happen. Come on people. A handful of polls does not alter the fact that Labour are heading for disaster. May could stand their in a clown suit and propose a 80% tax on food, and she would still scrape home in this election. DO NOT trust the polls, in EITHER direction of travel.

Let's get this over with, and get a decent Labour leader in place so the party can rebuild itself around someone electable. For the sake of democracy, if nothing else.

Louisa.

[Jules-and-Boo]

may be true Louisa, but Theresa May is a train crash

[Louisa]

Anyone who works for the police could have told you she was a train crash long before she became prime minister. The Fact she will still wipe the floor with Labour at this election is surely enough to tell even the most enthusiastic Corbyn supporter that their direction of travel is the wrong way. You would hope.

Louisa.

[DulwichFox]

The problem with Corbyn for me is he has an ideology I had myself to some extent 30-35 years ago.

Its like he has been in a coma for 30 odd years and has just woke up and is carrying on from where he left off.

#Comrades.

Foxy

[Jules-and-Boo]

one million young new voter registers this week.

[Jules-and-Boo]

what exactly is the specialism of the company May's husband owns? Tax avoidance?

[rendelharris]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> what exactly is the specialism of the company

> May's husband owns? Tax avoidance?

All sorts - Mr.May works in the pensions division, which obviously benefits from the firm's overall investment strategy.

According to The Independent last year:

[Capital Group's] portfolio also includes $20 billion of shares in Amazon and Starbucks, both of which were cited by the Prime Minister-designate in her pledge to crack down on tax avoidance yesterday.

Latest filings to US authorities show that Los Angeles based Capital Group owns huge stakes in a variety of companies, including investment bank JP Morgan Chase, defence giant Lockheed Martin, tobacco company Philip Morris International, the pharmaceutical sector?s Merck & Co, and also Ryanair.

So p'raps not the most ethics-driven outfit one could imagine.

[????]

Probably a bit more ethical than the Provos though, all things considered....

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> > what exactly is the specialism of the company

> > May's husband owns? Tax avoidance?

>

> All sorts - Mr.May works in the pensions division,

> which obviously benefits from the firm's overall

> investment strategy.

>

> According to The Independent last year:

>

> portfolio also includes $20 billion of shares in

> Amazon and Starbucks, both of which were cited by

> the Prime Minister-designate in her pledge to

> crack down on tax avoidance yesterday.

>

> Latest filings to US authorities show that Los

> Angeles based Capital Group owns huge stakes in a

> variety of companies, including investment bank JP

> Morgan Chase, defence giant Lockheed Martin,

> tobacco company Philip Morris International, the

> pharmaceutical sector?s Merck & Co, and also

> Ryanair.

>

> So p'raps not the most ethics-driven outfit one

> could imagine.

Not that I've got a brief to defend him, but global capitalism is inherently interconnected. You can't just work in the "nice department". If you're not working for Starbucks, you're certainly connected in a chain to them (or someone of equal stature) somehow.

[jaywalker]

Excellent Nick Robinson TV round table yesterday - so many people saying they'd been initially attracted to May's 'strength and stability' message, but not now. Beware the voter who has had their gullibility exposed. Also, she is now stupidly trying to re-launch her campaign with the message 'I'm the only one you can trust to get a good Brexit deal' - err, I think that is not quite any longer the perception. By the way, if her majority is less than her current one she will be 'resigned' immediately by her own (now absolutely furious) party.

So over to Paxman tomorrow to make get the truth into plain sight.

[Seabag]

I think I'm finding a way to forgive Dianne and her crappy maths

May's looking more and more brittle

Is Paxman on TV ?

[jaywalker]

yes, I believe he is interviewing Corbyn and May LIVE tomorrow on a joint Sky/C4 programme (with the excellent Faisal Islam doing a live audience follow-up (although they are being interviewed separately :-) ).

[Seabag]

Thanks. 8:00pm on C4 should be interesting.

[Jules-and-Boo]

I'm looking forward to that!

[????]

Yeah - 2 incompetent twats lying through their teeth can't wait