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@Sephiroth you made some interesting points on the economy, on the Lammy thread. Thought it worth broadening the discussion. Reeves (irrespective of her financial competence) clearly was too downbeat on things when Labour came into power. But could there have been more honesty on the liklihood of taxes going up (which they have done, and will do in any case due to the freezing of personal allowances). It may have been a silly commitment not to do this, but were you damned if you do and damned if you don't? -
I'd quit this thread, let those who just want to slag Labour off have their own thread. Your views on the economy are worth debating. I'm just stunned how there wasn't this level of noise with the last government. I could try to get some dirt on Badenoch but she is pointless Whilst I am not a fan of the Daily Mirror at least there is some respite from Labour bashing. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/grenfell-hillsborough-families-make-powerful-36175862 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-facing-parliamentary-investigation-36188612
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That is a bit cake and eat it tho, isn’t it? At what point do we stop respecting other people’s opinions and beliefs because history shows us we sometimes simply have no other choice you are holding some comfort blanket that allows you to believe we are all equal and all valid and we can simply voice different options - without that ever impacting on the real world Were the racists we fought in previous generations different? Were their beliefs patronised by the elites of the time? Or do we learn lessons and avoid mistakes of the past? racists/bigots having “just as much to say” is both true and yet, a thing we have learnt from the past. The lesson was not “ooh let’s hear them out. They sound interesting and valid and as worthy of an audience as people who hold the opposite opinion” -
I don't have a beef with you. But I do have a beef with people who feel that a certain portion of the public's opinion isn't valid. I don't like racism any more than anyone else here. But I do dislike the idea that an individual's thoughts, beliefs and feelings, no matter how much I may disagree with them, are somehow worth less than my own. And I get the sense that that is what many disenfranchised voters are feeling - that they are being looked down upon as ignorant, racists who have no right to be in the conversation. And that's what brings out people on the margins and drives them towards extremes, like Reform. Whether you like it or not, the racist, bigot, anti-european nextdoor to you has just as much say in the country as you do. Intellectual superiority is never going to bring them round.
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