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Jenny1

Jenny1

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No. And any extension beyond May 24th will be on condition that we take part in European elections. It's been clear for a while that that would be necessary if we wanted more time, but too few MPs are awake to this fact. But then, too few of them are awake, full stop.



Edited to correct date - that should be May 23rd ofcourse.

JohnL

JohnL

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Loutwo Wrote:

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> There is also no evidence that the EU will extend

> article 50 if this falls tonight and parliament

> vote in favour of preventing ?no deal?.

>

> Louisa.


We can revoke A50 in an emergency scenario. Vince Cable (I know :) ) sees this as a genuine possibility.


EU will extend for a General Election or a Peoples Vote.

Loutwo

Loutwo

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A third attempt at this vote would open up more questions about democracy. If it is not passed today, I think it becomes far easier for people to question why this can?t be handed back to the people to take control of the situation. We have a few simple choices to make, the deal or remain.


Louisa.

Jenny1

Jenny1

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I don't think so. I suspect this is just another phase in the ongoing war of attrition. This potential timeline (see below) seems like a probable outcome. If it's correct then TM is only aiming to peel off a few more Withdrawal Agreement opponents today, knowing that she can hold a larger gun to everyone's heads as May 24th approaches, and thus get the WA passed at that point. I see reports that approx 13 previous Tory refuseniks are already indicating they'll be backing her in the vote this evening.


https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/03/12/no-fudge-no-unicorns-may-s-new-deal-is-total-failure

JoeLeg

JoeLeg

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Loutwo Wrote:

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> A third attempt at this vote would open up more

> questions about democracy. If it is not passed

> today, I think it becomes far easier for people to

> question why this can?t be handed back to the

> people to take control of the situation. We have a

> few simple choices to make, the deal or remain.

>

> Louisa.



There?s a lot of people who would also want No Deal to be on the ballot.

Jenny1

Jenny1

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It's based on a letter from Juncker to Tusk yesterday saying that Brexit must be wrapped up by the time of European Elections in May. This suggests there may be flexibility for an extension up to that point (on basis of something substantial being done in the UK to justify it presumably). Although clearly both EU and UK side would see a longer extension as being more helpful the assumption is that UK politicians aren't ready to do what would be necessary to achieve that longer extension - ie participate in EU parliamentary elections in May.
Jenny1

Jenny1

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Yep. Nausea would seem an appropriate response.


On the timeline thoughts above. I know there have been differing views on how 'sacrosanct' UK participation in the EU elections in May is. Suggestions have been made that some kind of compromise, allowing for non-participation, could be reached if the UK were engaged in a referendum on the WA or a GE in the interim. This would mean that an extension to A50 beyond May 23rd would become possible. However there does seem to have been a hardening of legal views recently to suggest that the EU Parliament would not be legally constituted in these circumstances.

diable rouge

diable rouge

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I wish politicians and pundits alike would stop saying that today's big vote, if won, would take No Deal off the table. It won't. It would confirm that there's a majority that don't want ND, but legally it's still there. The only way to remove the threat of ND is either to agree a WA or Revoke A50. An extension to A50 would merely move the legal default of ND from one date to another...
Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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I dunno Sue - he came close in 2015 and it was a surprise that that the population reversed their opinion at last minute


Given what transpired between 2015 and 2017 I'd bet good money if Ed had stayed and steadied the ship, Labour would have won handsomely


Then again, if I was leading the Labour party, I'd do a better job than the current imbecile

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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diable rouge Wrote:

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> I wish politicians and pundits alike would stop

> saying that today's big vote, if won, would take

> No Deal off the table. It won't. It would confirm

> that there's a majority that don't want ND, but

> legally it's still there. The only way to remove

> the threat of ND is either to agree a WA or Revoke

> A50. An extension to A50 would merely move the

> legal default of ND from one date to another...



From what I read the UK won't get an extension.



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