Brexit View

[JohnL]

"This sort of behaviour will not be tolerated?

[robbin]

Mags Court. My guess would probably be the latter.

[Angelina]

So, if Bercow is an EU puppet, as suggested above - what does the recent news mean in terms of underhand strategy?

[JohnL]

robbin Wrote:

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> Mags Court. My guess would probably be the latter.

Of course - meaning chief magistrate. Now some yellow vests have invaded the Attorney Generals office shouting "Anna Soubry is a Nazi" - why do they pick on her ?

[JohnL]

Angelina Wrote:

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> So, if Bercow is an EU puppet, as suggested above

> - what does the recent news mean in terms of

> underhand strategy?

I think he's just pro parliament and anti government. He hasn't liked the government since they tried to get rid of him the last day of the 2015 parliament and Labour found out just in time and rescued him.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/26/tory-backbench-rebellion-defeats-hagues-attempt-to-unseat-speaker-john-bercow

[Angelina]

so you think this is personal?

I think it makes good sense. Otherwise TM would present the same over and over again.

It's a bit like being asked every year if I like Brussel Sprouts. The answer is still no.

[JohnL]

I think he's correct on the technical point and he has always been pro parliament standing up against the executive. Some previous speakers (Michael Martin, George Thomas) have been rather sycophantic towards the government - this one has always been the opposite even before Brexit.

I think history might have hardened his attitude.

He had another a great argument with Leadsom (which has been ongoing for a while)

[JohnL]

Oh and the point is sensible - and I've heard when backbench MP's try to do similar they are told they can't - the government (especially the May government) just expects it can do what it wants.

I can't believe they claim they didn't see it coming - even I thought it was a possibility.

[teddyboy23]

The speaker of the house as to remain neutral as johnl said bercow hates this government .but he's showing contempt for the 17 million who voted leave by doing his best to stop brexit because he and his remainer mp mates didn't like the result.what's the point in having elections .while many many people struggle to make ends meat .these leaches have just been given an extra ?2000 pay rise on top of their ?65000 + wages yet still lie and cheat on their expenses commiting fraud these fu...rs pay for nothing.yet still want more .that's it rant over .

[Angelina]

Do you really think that May's Agreement is aligned to the will of the 17m who voted leave?

I don't think Bercow's trying to prevent Leave, just not on the absurd terms May has come up with.

[teddyboy23]

Angelina I agree mays agreement is crap.but bercow is picking amendments that suit the remainders is refusing to put forward an amendment that would rule out a second referendum backed by 120+ MPs from all parties .now he's found a rule dating back to 1604 saying MPs can't vote twice for the same proposition on our constitution the speaker .Queen and the cabinet secretary are three main people who must act with absolute integrity .this Muppet is driving around in he's official car with stickers on it saying bollocks to brexit our impartial is that.

[robbin]

Much that I cannot stand Bercow, I don't think it is correct that he is driving around in an official car with anti Brexit stickers on it. It is his wife's car that has the stickers.

I don't think he 'searched' for an old rule (also just because it is old does not mean it is not good law/procedure). Moreover, it is a little known rule only because it has hardly ever needed to be invoked - it's just that in 400 years almost every government has abided by the basic principle underlying the rule. May is an exception to the rule and she should be ashamed of her conduct in relation to her so-called 'deal'.

[teddyboy23]

Fair points robbin but he's still a smug c..t

[diable rouge]

Maybot to ask for a short extension i.e to the end of June. All this does is move the No Deal cliff edge along, thus no incentive for the DUP/ERG to vote for her deal. Once again she's pandered to the loony brigade instead of putting the country first...

[JohnL]

LOL Why is Darren Grimes twitter at the very top of my list every morning (and then I feel obliged to reply).

He was on Sky News paper review today too - but was rather uncontroversial and didn't outdo Joanna and Martin in the throw the remote at the TV reaction.

[diable rouge]

?In the absence of a deal, seeking such a short, one-off extension would be downright reckless and completely at odds with the position this House adopted only last night.? ~ David Lidington, de facto Deputy PM, six days ago, in the Commons

At the start of the Brexit process is was always thought that it would come down to who blinked first between the EU and the UK. Instead it's now who blinks first between the 2 sides of the Tory party. Up to now May has always cowed to the noise and threats of the ERG types, whilst the moderates have kept relatively silent. If May's request for an extension is indeed a short one, then this will be the last chance for the worm to turn...

[JohnL]

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/brexit-parliament-reportedly-attempting-to-take-control-of-extension-length-20190320

Possible change - don't know what SO24 is but it's seems to be some technique to force a parliament debate - and Bercow is of course involved :)

[Jenny1]

JohnL Wrote:

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> don't know what SO24 is

explainer here

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2019/03/19/the-headlines-missed-the-big-bercow-intervention-hes-implementing-last-weeks-benn-amendment-the-commons-now-has-the-lead-in-deciding-what-gets-voted-on-for-brexit/

[JohnL]

"Mr Speaker will also hear an application from @Keir_Starmer after the three UQs asking for an emergency 🚨 SO24 debate:

That this House has considered the matter of the length and purpose of the extension of the Article 50 process requested by the Government."

Edit: although lots saying Labour won't back a longer extension

[robbin]

SO24 is basically a talking shop.

[JohnL]

robbin Wrote:

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> SO24 is basically a talking shop.

It seems Bercow has changed something potentially so it becomes more than that

[Angelina]

Does this mean that TM cannot ask for a delay unless the specs of what she's asking has been agreed by all parties?

[JohnL]

I don't know - Labour want to negotiate their own deal in the next 3 months according to McDonnell ... remain twitter going mental because it rules out a confirmation vote.

[JohnL]

Theresa May basically just said she's posted the letter (meaning nobody can change it now)

It's so childish.

[JohnL]

and now both Corbyn and May are off to Brussels (like two children running to mummy).

Could the EU tell them you'll do this and you'll support it :)