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Jenny1

Jenny1

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...and of course neither May nor Corbyn have the guts to grasp participation in EU elections, to allow for a longer extension. So, barring extraordinary unforeseen events, my money would be on May being successful in blackmailing Parliament into accepting the WA. And I think we should all stop calling the WA a 'Deal' - because if it is accepted the actual business of negotiating the proper deal will only just be starting....
JohnL

JohnL

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Jenny1 Wrote:

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> I still maintain any talk of a short extension to

> June 30th is for the birds. There's still the May

> 23rd cut off for EU elections to observe. So it's

> May 23rd - or a much longer and politically

> difficult extension to allow for participation in

> EU elections.


EU seems to have confirmed this. Stated options are to May 23rd or end of 2019.

diable rouge

diable rouge

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May being duplicit as usual. From the Guardian Live feed...



After MPs voted on Tuesday for the second time to reject May?s deal, and on Wednesday (in a non-binding vote) to reject no deal, May told MPs that, if they did not pass her deal soon, the alternative would have to be a long article 50 extension. She said:


''If the house finds a way in the coming days to support a deal, it would allow the government to seek a short limited technical extension to article 50 to provide time to pass the necessary legislation and ratify the agreement we have reached with the EU.


But let me be clear, such a short technical extension is only likely to be on offer if we have a deal in place.


Therefore, the house has to understand and accept that, if it is not willing to support a deal in the coming days, and as it is not willing to support leaving without a deal on 29 March, then it is suggesting that there will need to be a much longer extension to article 50. Such an extension would undoubtedly require the United Kingdom to hold European parliament elections in May 2019.''


In other words, May now appears to be poised to ask for a short extension of the kind that she told MPs last week would not be on offer if the deal were not passed.

Jenny1

Jenny1

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JohnL Wrote:

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> They're both saying we're in a full scale national

> crisis - but if we were wouldn't they co-operate

> with each other ?


Yes. A cross-party group should have been set up to work out ways forward the day after the referendum result was known in 2016. As others have pointed out, one of the key reasons we're in this mess is that the FPTP system has fostered pantomimic 'conflict' in politics, but no ability to compromise. Arguably if either May or Corbyn were fit to lead a major political party they'd have managed to work out a flexible, co-operative approach despite the inherent weaknesses of FPTP.

JohnL

JohnL

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Halfway down the Standard's report


?People are so exasperated with the ERG over-playing their hand,? the minister said. ?People are now saying, ?We are done with Brexit ? let?s bin the whole project and revoke Article 50.??


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-theresa-may-sparks-uproar-with-short-brexit-delay-days-after-her-own-deputy-said-a4096501.html

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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diable rouge Wrote:

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> May being duplicit as usual. From the Guardian

> Live feed...


> Therefore, the house has to understand and accept

> that, if it is not willing to support a deal in

> the coming days, and as it is not willing to

> support leaving without a deal on 29 March, then

> it is suggesting that there will need to be a much

> longer extension to article 50. Such an extension

> would undoubtedly require the United Kingdom to

> hold European parliament elections in May 2019.''

>

> In other words, May now appears to be poised to

> ask for a short extension of the kind that she

> told MPs last week would not be on offer if the

> deal were not passed.



But where on Earth does she get the idea she would be even granted a long extension and for what purpose? Come next week if she loses another vote on her deal, then it's got to be No Deal or Article 50 being revoked.

JohnL

JohnL

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Alan Medic Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Theresa May threatens to quit if MPs push for

> > delay past June 30

> >

> >

> > DO IT

>

>

> Who would be your preferred idiot to take over?


None of them - Boris wins tory leader and a lot of defections (already promised - they had better mean it) would mean we could have a government under maybe Cooper or Benn. Boris would try and re-invent himself again but it's too late.


If the winner was to become PM with support enough to govern ... Rudd (added or lidington)

robbin

robbin

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Shame TM seems to have made a conscious decision not to prepare properly for no deal, preferring instead to run down the clock in a crass attempt to blackmail MPs into voting for her 'deal'. Blatantly inappropriate strategy given that it has been emphatically rejected twice and it's clear they don't want her 'deal' because it's cr*p.


Complete amateur hour.

Angelina

Angelina

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Don't make it sound as if EU are saintly and beyond reproach. Far from it. They have been exceptionally difficult and obstinate.


I would challenge any of our politicians to have actually managed to get a decent deal approved by them. It's hardly in their best interests to have Britain go out with an easy exit....

Jenny1

Jenny1

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JohnL Wrote:

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> The ultimate humiliation now ....

>

> In Brussels some EU officials are now saying that

> EU leaders will not even take a decision about

> extending article 50 tomorrow - because Theresa

> May sent her letter too late.


The message seems to be that she can't have an extension until she gets agreement to some way forward in the Commons. In other words EU leaders are showing more respect for the HOC than she's ever done. I doubt she'll resign. I suspect she'll cling on to the possibility of bludgeoning Parliament into accepting the WA until the very last moment.

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