Brexit View

[Jenny1]

I still maintain any talk of a short extension to June 30th is for the birds. There's still the May 23rd cut off for EU elections to observe. So it's May 23rd - or a much longer and politically difficult extension to allow for participation in EU elections.

[Jenny1]

...and of course neither May nor Corbyn have the guts to grasp participation in EU elections, to allow for a longer extension. So, barring extraordinary unforeseen events, my money would be on May being successful in blackmailing Parliament into accepting the WA. And I think we should all stop calling the WA a 'Deal' - because if it is accepted the actual business of negotiating the proper deal will only just be starting....

[JohnL]

Her reason for extending is to get her own deal through parliament. Doesn't seem like a valid reason to me.

Is there something we are not being told ?

[Angelina]

It wasn't long ago that May promised that there would be no extension.

She's a bit 'not very honest'.

[JohnL]

They're both saying we're in a full scale national crisis - but if we were wouldn't they co-operate with each other ?

[JohnL]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> I still maintain any talk of a short extension to

> June 30th is for the birds. There's still the May

> 23rd cut off for EU elections to observe. So it's

> May 23rd - or a much longer and politically

> difficult extension to allow for participation in

> EU elections.

EU seems to have confirmed this. Stated options are to May 23rd or end of 2019.

[diable rouge]

May being duplicit as usual. From the Guardian Live feed...

After MPs voted on Tuesday for the second time to reject May?s deal, and on Wednesday (in a non-binding vote) to reject no deal, May told MPs that, if they did not pass her deal soon, the alternative would have to be a long article 50 extension. She said:

''If the house finds a way in the coming days to support a deal, it would allow the government to seek a short limited technical extension to article 50 to provide time to pass the necessary legislation and ratify the agreement we have reached with the EU.

But let me be clear, such a short technical extension is only likely to be on offer if we have a deal in place.

Therefore, the house has to understand and accept that, if it is not willing to support a deal in the coming days, and as it is not willing to support leaving without a deal on 29 March, then it is suggesting that there will need to be a much longer extension to article 50. Such an extension would undoubtedly require the United Kingdom to hold European parliament elections in May 2019.''

In other words, May now appears to be poised to ask for a short extension of the kind that she told MPs last week would not be on offer if the deal were not passed.

[Jenny1]

JohnL Wrote:

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> They're both saying we're in a full scale national

> crisis - but if we were wouldn't they co-operate

> with each other ?

Yes. A cross-party group should have been set up to work out ways forward the day after the referendum result was known in 2016. As others have pointed out, one of the key reasons we're in this mess is that the FPTP system has fostered pantomimic 'conflict' in politics, but no ability to compromise. Arguably if either May or Corbyn were fit to lead a major political party they'd have managed to work out a flexible, co-operative approach despite the inherent weaknesses of FPTP.

[JohnL]

Halfway down the Standard's report

?People are so exasperated with the ERG over-playing their hand,? the minister said. ?People are now saying, ?We are done with Brexit ? let?s bin the whole project and revoke Article 50.??

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-theresa-may-sparks-uproar-with-short-brexit-delay-days-after-her-own-deputy-said-a4096501.html

[Alan Medic]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> May being duplicit as usual. From the Guardian

> Live feed...

> Therefore, the house has to understand and accept

> that, if it is not willing to support a deal in

> the coming days, and as it is not willing to

> support leaving without a deal on 29 March, then

> it is suggesting that there will need to be a much

> longer extension to article 50. Such an extension

> would undoubtedly require the United Kingdom to

> hold European parliament elections in May 2019.''

>

> In other words, May now appears to be poised to

> ask for a short extension of the kind that she

> told MPs last week would not be on offer if the

> deal were not passed.

But where on Earth does she get the idea she would be even granted a long extension and for what purpose? Come next week if she loses another vote on her deal, then it's got to be No Deal or Article 50 being revoked.

[JohnL]

Theresa May threatens to quit if MPs push for delay past June 30

DO IT

[Alan Medic]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Theresa May threatens to quit if MPs push for

> delay past June 30

>

>

> DO IT

Who would be your preferred idiot to take over?

[Alan Medic]

Well, well.....

[JohnL]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > Theresa May threatens to quit if MPs push for

> > delay past June 30

> >

> >

> > DO IT

>

>

> Who would be your preferred idiot to take over?

None of them - Boris wins tory leader and a lot of defections (already promised - they had better mean it) would mean we could have a government under maybe Cooper or Benn. Boris would try and re-invent himself again but it's too late.

If the winner was to become PM with support enough to govern ... Rudd (added or lidington)

[DulwichFox]

I would vote for Labour but NEVER with Corbyn in charge.

If there were to be a General Election I simply would not vote.

DulwichFox

[JohnL]

France will veto any extension (Macron statement). Basically he's had enough of Britain.

Options are now very limited.

So24 motion tonight

[JohnL]

Tusk to make statement at 4PM - probably to confirm no extension allowed.

[JohnL]

Loser of a PM to make statement also.

[robbin]

Not interested in (and don't believe) anything she has to say!

[JohnL]

LOL we agree - French foreign minister rolling back a bit on Macron's original statement (as the French do) - but can't see them granting an extension as she has nothing to offer.

[robbin]

Shame TM seems to have made a conscious decision not to prepare properly for no deal, preferring instead to run down the clock in a crass attempt to blackmail MPs into voting for her 'deal'. Blatantly inappropriate strategy given that it has been emphatically rejected twice and it's clear they don't want her 'deal' because it's cr*p.

Complete amateur hour.

[JohnL]

The ultimate humiliation now ....

In Brussels some EU officials are now saying that EU leaders will not even take a decision about extending article 50 tomorrow - because Theresa May sent her letter too late.

[JohnL]

could she resign tonight, more likely telling us all to prepare for no deal.

[Angelina]

Don't make it sound as if EU are saintly and beyond reproach. Far from it. They have been exceptionally difficult and obstinate.

I would challenge any of our politicians to have actually managed to get a decent deal approved by them. It's hardly in their best interests to have Britain go out with an easy exit....

[Jenny1]

JohnL Wrote:

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> The ultimate humiliation now ....

>

> In Brussels some EU officials are now saying that

> EU leaders will not even take a decision about

> extending article 50 tomorrow - because Theresa

> May sent her letter too late.

The message seems to be that she can't have an extension until she gets agreement to some way forward in the Commons. In other words EU leaders are showing more respect for the HOC than she's ever done. I doubt she'll resign. I suspect she'll cling on to the possibility of bludgeoning Parliament into accepting the WA until the very last moment.