Brexit View

[robbin]

Angelina Wrote:

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> I dont' think she has - and if she does, her

> moment has passed and it's irrelevant.

>

> The vote will be for the commons to take the lead

> now and what amendments

> .

Hmm, that worked out well, didn't it?!!!

Did you really expect it would?

[Jenny1]

robbin Wrote:

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> Angelina Wrote:

> ---------------------------------------

> > The vote will be for the commons to take the

> lead

> > now and what amendments

> > .

>

> Hmm, that worked out well, didn't it?!!!

>

Yes. It did work well. Thank goodness. Last Monday's vote allowed the options to be whittled down. The top three or four will come back for further debate and votes on Monday and perhaps also Wednesday next week. It would have been great if a similar process, looking at all available options, had been initiated years ago - rather than May's 'stifle all debate' approach. For preference I would have had something broader and more elaborate , including Citizens Assemblies to research and offer input, but given where we are now, this approach is good enough and injects some much needed light and air into the situation.

[Sue]

Jenny1 Wrote:

> >

It would have been great

> if a similar process, looking at all available

> options, had been initiated years ago - rather

> than May's 'stifle all debate' approach

Yep.

All that time wasted.

[Pugwash]

Hopefully you can read this PDF which shows how much Brexit has cost us so far and the impact on the economy

[malumbu]

Lots of sensible talk on Friday night - polarised public - hard Brexit, vs soft/referendum, need for major parties to determine position on the next General election eg Free Trade Agreement vs Customs Union, Rory Stewart playing a blinder on Newsnight with honest sensible views, DUP putting the union rather than Tory party first, talk of the moderate side of the cabinet asserting itself. Yet what do we hear? 4th fippin vote on he deal. Please please can someone explain how she is still positioning herself.

BJ, IDS and JRM now exposing themselves for what they are (sure many already knew this), only a small number of Labour rebels. So you are going to fail with your manifesto commitment and red lines, time to go back to the people. Perhaps if you'd listened to the 16m earlier then we may have got some sort of agreed position.

For some light relief the stare off between Mark Francois is precious https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47497183/brexit-will-self-and-mark-francois-in-tv-stare-off

[Alan Medic]

Don't see on what grounds the Speaker will allow another MV this week.

[JohnL]

As a respite from Brexit, today I wish you Happy Chris Grayling Day.

[JohnL]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Lots of sensible talk on Friday night - polarised

> public - hard Brexit, vs soft/referendum, need for

> major parties to determine position on the next

> General election eg Free Trade Agreement vs

> Customs Union, Rory Stewart playing a blinder on

> Newsnight with honest sensible views, DUP putting

> the union rather than Tory party first, talk of

> the moderate side of the cabinet asserting itself.

> Yet what do we hear? 4th fippin vote on he deal.

> Please please can someone explain how she is

> still positioning herself.

>

> BJ, IDS and JRM now exposing themselves for what

> they are (sure many already knew this), only a

> small number of Labour rebels. So you are going

> to fail with your manifesto commitment and red

> lines, time to go back to the people. Perhaps if

> you'd listened to the 16m earlier then we may have

> got some sort of agreed position.

>

> For some light relief the stare off between Mark

> Francois is precious

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47497183

> /brexit-will-self-and-mark-francois-in-tv-stare-of

> f

https://twitter.com/GTSwift77/status/1111262655988359169

[JohnL]

?Brexit is a big shitshow, I say that now very undiplomatically,?

?90 percent of the British cabinet of have no idea how workers think, live, work and behave?

"It's not U.K. politicians born with silver spoons in their mouths, who went to private schools and elite universities that will suffer the consequences of the mess."

German Deputy Foreign Minister

Wonder who he's referring to ?

[teddyboy23]

Well said john 100% spot on .also Dominic grievez who's constituency voted leave have given a vote of no confidence . after he betrayed their vote .whinging I don't understand .is he having a laugh .if there is a general election tory and labour candidates will lose out to farages party in the leave areas.

[JohnL]

teddyboy23 Wrote:

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> Well said john 100% spot on .also Dominic grievez

> who's constituency voted leave have given a vote

> of no confidence . after he betrayed their vote

> .whinging I don't understand .is he having a laugh

> .if there is a general election tory and labour

> candidates will lose out to farages party in the

> leave areas.

There was a table tweeted by Lisa Nandy of areas signing the revoke petition (whatever the number signing in total) - and areas like Dulwich, Peckham, Bermondsey were all in the top 25, Wigan, Burnley etc. all in the bottom 25.

Brexit or no, Something needs to be done in these areas - they have been left behind.

[JohnL]

Well this is what Bercow has selected for tonight

© Kenneth Clarke - Customs Union

(D) @NickBoles - Common Market 2.0

(E) @peterkyle - Confirmatory public vote

(G) @joannaccherry - Parliamentary Supremacy

[JohnL]

Streakers

[JohnL]

Well that's it - the streakers were funny (they kept the underwear on) and Ed Milliband looked like he'd seen a huge bacon sandwich.

But brexitwise I think no deal looms :(

[Jules-and-Boo]

How much of a majority on any of the options would people accept as binding (rather than wanting a re-vote?)

[JohnL]

I think any majority on Wednesday but there's a stand off between some second referendum supporters and custom deal / common market 2.0 supporters (you'd think they could agree a compromise).

Nick Boles resigning the whip was sad.

I keep thinking why are we doing all this with days to go.

[robbin]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> robbin Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Angelina Wrote:

> > ---------------------------------------

> > > The vote will be for the commons to take the

> > lead

> > > now and what amendments

> > > .

> >

> > Hmm, that worked out well, didn't it?!!!

> >

>

> Yes. It did work well. Thank goodness. Last

> Monday's vote allowed the options to be whittled

> down. The top three or four will come back for

> further debate and votes on Monday and perhaps

> also Wednesday next week. It would have been great

> if a similar process, looking at all available

> options, had been initiated years ago - rather

> than May's 'stifle all debate' approach. For

> preference I would have had something broader and

> more elaborate , including Citizens Assemblies to

> research and offer input, but given where we are

> now, this approach is good enough and injects some

> much needed light and air into the situation.

What a surprise nil for ten now!

Yep - all that 'whittling' is working well.

[Jules-and-Boo]

well, they nearly agree

[JohnL]

Cabinet Secretary putting the fear of god into the Cabinet about no deal this morning apparently. (there is a rumour ministers can be prosecuted if they knowingly do something against the country's interests)

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/102999/uks-top-civil-servant-issues-stark-no-deal-brexit-warning

I think 10% price rises have already happened mind - my 100 shop at Sainsburys was 130 :) I can afford it as a single employed person (still employed luckily) but many can't.

[teddyboy23]

I read something the other day about prises rising .because people are stockpiling.

[JohnL]

teddyboy23 Wrote:

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> I read something the other day about prises rising

> .because people are stockpiling.

You could be right.

[robbin]

He is right.

I've been stockpiling. No way I'm going to be caught out, come Armageddon and the great flood.

I agree John - prices have sky-rocketed. It's all got completely out of hand. Prices were rising so fast at the weekend that by the time I got to the front of the check out in Sainsburys, they had re-priced and re-labelled about 75% of my selections.

It's like 30's Germany all over again.

[Angelina]

You could try Aldi for some of your shopping - there are some items much cheaper. Seriously. Croissants are around 50p, compare to around ?1 in most other supermarkets, bread is half the usual price and the fruit and veg are lovely...

We've saved lots of money compared to DKH Sainsbury.

We do shop around though - so there are some things we get from other places, but it makes a huge difference

[robbin]

And Aldi is from the EU so obv better than UK cr*p.

[Angelina]

Not all of the stuff they sell is good though - so I wouldn't go that far.

Their shampoo is really cheap and awful - it's packaged to look like a more expensive brand but it isn't.

You can get really cheap, ethically friendly and really good shampoo in Superdrug.

So, if you are clever, it's great!