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JohnL

JohnL

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I detect a bit of sarcasm LOL :)


In parliament (where they are stockpiling too) looks like "the centrist alliance" (who the h*ll are they) is trying to take over for the rest of the week. They've given up on the votes thingy and will try and grab time on wednesday and thursday for Yvette Cooper to put forward an EU (withdrawal) (no 5) bill which she will try and force through on thursday.


Sounds desperate.

robbin

robbin

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JohnL Wrote:

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> I detect a bit of sarcasm LOL :)

>

> A bit! ; )


The worst part about no-deal Brexit will be that it never happens and I won't be able to lord it over all you snowflakes and scandalmongers, after it has had all the drama of the Y2K bug.

JohnL

JohnL

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Hey after some speculation indicative votes are back tomorrow and as @peston says


"All your favourite options will be with us again - customs union, Common Market 2.0, confirmatory referendum, revocation - with a promise this time of proper cross party cooperation. And with the aim of forcing the winner on the government on Monday."


JohnL

JohnL

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Angelina Wrote:

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> Yes - I remember that - massive panic that the

> world would end.



We had to put a Red, Amber or Green sticker on every electronic device in the building - including kettles (which passed the Y2K screening).

Jenny1

Jenny1

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robbin Wrote:

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> What a surprise nil for ten now!

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> Yep - all that 'whittling' is working well.


Good afternoon Robbin. I'm afraid I'm not up with all the modern terms the 'young people' use. What does 'nil for ten' mean?


But perhaps it would be fruitful to look at the current situation more broadly, thinking back across our lifetimes, what comparable political events have required cross-party collaboration and compromise to the degree that's now being attempted? I'm in my early fifties, you are, I suspect younger, but don't let that stop you having a go. Think back and see what you can come up with.


Having done that, then evaluate how you would rate the approach currently being adopted by MPs in an effort to break the deadlock over a sensible way forward. OK. That gives you some psrspective.


Now I'd like you to answer a specific question: What elements would you, Robbin, add to this process, to make it work better? (Bearing in mind, I'm sorry it needs stating overtly, but it really does, that your aim is the well being of the population of this country).


I note you are particularly disparaging about Yvette Cooper. Why is that? Can you give examples of policies she's pursued that make her (in your view) 'desperate'.


Are you one of the people above who doesn't know why Y2K wasn't, in the end. problematic? Surely not.

JohnL

JohnL

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@peston "The talk is of Cabinet being asked to agree to a long delay to prepare better for no deal. I have no idea whether it is true. But I pass on more to give a flavour of gossip among senior Tories than to lend credibility"


That @peston is not a valid reason for an extension - if you couldn't be bothered to prepare for a no deal hard sugar (will be the EU response).


meanwhile Nick Boles thanks the cabinet


"Nick Boles describes the May Cabinet as the worst cabinet in recorded history. He also says not one deserves to be the next PM. "

cella

cella

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robbin Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > I detect a bit of sarcasm LOL :)

> >

> > A bit! ; )

>

> The worst part about no-deal Brexit will be that

> it never happens and I won't be able to lord it

> over all you snowflakes and scandalmongers, after

> it has had all the drama of the Y2K bug.


Said it before and saying it again - please come back Rendelharris - your robust and intelligent views are sorely missed.

carlafindle

carlafindle

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cella Wrote:

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> robbin Wrote:

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> > JohnL Wrote:

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> > -----

> > > I detect a bit of sarcasm LOL :)

> > >

> > > A bit! ; )

> >

> > The worst part about no-deal Brexit will be

> that

> > it never happens and I won't be able to lord it

> > over all you snowflakes and scandalmongers,

> after

> > it has had all the drama of the Y2K bug.

>

> Said it before and saying it again - please come

> back Rendelharris - your robust and intelligent

> views are sorely missed.


No they're not.

JohnL

JohnL

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Nobody has mentioned that Theresa and Jeremy are now supposed to be linking up (today)


I see different reactions to this ERG/Hard Leavers: Treachery. Many Labour supporters: It's a trap. Remainers: Don't forget the confirmatory referendum Labour in public: We'll negotiate a deal that may or may not include a confirmatory referendum depending on the deal (that was the shadow business minister).

JohnL

JohnL

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A trap specifically mentioned to me was May plans to negotiate a Customs Union/Regulatory standards Brexit with Corbyn then next week state due to ERG/Cabinet rebellion she needs a referendum between that and a No Deal Brexit (so leaving the deal as Corbyn's deal and Labour stranded).
robbin

robbin

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Damn! I knew if I snoozed, I would lose.


I'm going to head out of London to where the greater majority voted to leave - they won't be panicking (mostly because they now see their elected 'representatives' won't allow them to leave anyway) so the shelves will still be full of the basics. I can buy up the lot before word spreads.

robbin

robbin

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KidKruger Wrote:

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> A large part of why Y2K appeared to be a non-issue

> is because we had (and made use of) years to

> prepare for it and validate processes/systems

> beforehand.


Quite! No preparations here during the last 3 years - just a running down of the blackmail clock.

JohnL

JohnL

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Angelina Wrote:

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> No, it will always be known as May's total Fk Up.

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> I don't think she can polish a halo that isn't

> there and she will not be able to pass the blame.



Hope so - and also hope Corbyn has good advisers when he's talking to her (Kier ?)

diable rouge

diable rouge

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Corbyn would be mad (yes I know) to put his name to any deal, but he has to be seen to be trying. The problem is that if him and May agree to add a Customs Union/confirmatory referendum etc, it can only go in the Political Declaration, which isn't legally binding. The PD is nothing more than a wishlist. With May saying she will resign once a deal is agreed, that leaves it open for a hard Brexiter like Johnson to come along later and simply rip up the PD and force a no deal crash out...
diable rouge

diable rouge

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JohnL Wrote:

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> A trap specifically mentioned to me was May plans

> to negotiate a Customs Union/Regulatory standards

> Brexit with Corbyn then next week state due to

> ERG/Cabinet rebellion she needs a referendum

> between that and a No Deal Brexit (so leaving the

> deal as Corbyn's deal and Labour stranded).


When would this rebellion take place, before or after a deal is approved by Parliament?...

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