Brexit View

[diable rouge]

tl;dr...We survived the war

[Sephiroth]

Me, earlier: "I don't think english exceptionalism is confined to the well off "

I didn't expect such a swift and un-self-aware response -- bless you Foxy "Why are they not sending money to us. London. Why are we NOT in charge. ?? "

In charge? of who exactly?? The EU is a political construct engaged in mutual cooperation. It hasn't invaded anybody. There is no single country "in charge"

"So lets not worry too much about a No Deal Brexit. Leave and get on with it." I get told off constantly for saying many leavers are ignorant - but come on people!!!!

[DulwichFox]

Time will tell.

If The UK is seen to make a success of Brexit Other better off Countries will follow suite and leave.

The EU will consist of only the poorest nations. It will be Financial Chaos.

[Sephiroth]

Time will tell

Sure. Look of it goes well I?ll be a relieved boy

But if it goes as badly as most people involved are predicting the ?Oh well? won?t quite cut it will it foxy?

[pk]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> We have seen the collapse of many Empires

> including the British Empire when we once ruled

> most of the World.

>

> The E.U. is just the latest Empire which itself

> will soon break up and expire.

>

> It is amazing that the UK sends Money to the E.U.

> in Brussells

> Why are they not sending money to us. London. Why

> are we NOT in charge. ??

>

> Most scams start with a 30day free trial.

> You know the ones where the small print does not

> allow you to leave without paying to do so.

> They just keep taking money out of your account.

> You have very little control over it.

>

> So lets not worry too much about a No Deal

> Brexit. Leave and get on with it.

Scarily ignorant!

Zero understanding of what makes an empire or an union

And yet so ready to spout nonsense

[cella]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> We have seen the collapse of many Empires

> including the British Empire when we once ruled

> most of the World.

>

> The E.U. is just the latest Empire which itself

> will soon break up and expire.

>

> It is amazing that the UK sends Money to the E.U.

> in Brussells

> Why are they not sending money to us. London. Why

> are we NOT in charge. ??

>

> Most scams start with a 30day free trial.

> You know the ones where the small print does not

> allow you to leave without paying to do so.

> They just keep taking money out of your account.

> You have very little control over it.

>

> So lets not worry too much about a No Deal

> Brexit. Leave and get on with it.

There is so much that is wrong with this I don't know where to start. And incredibly simplistic,

[siousxiesue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> We have seen the collapse of many Empires

> including the British Empire when we once ruled

> most of the World.

>

> The E.U. is just the latest Empire which itself

> will soon break up and expire.

>

> It is amazing that the UK sends Money to the E.U.

> in Brussells

> Why are they not sending money to us. London. Why

> are we NOT in charge. ??

>

> Most scams start with a 30day free trial.

> You know the ones where the small print does not

> allow you to leave without paying to do so.

> They just keep taking money out of your account.

> You have very little control over it.

>

> So lets not worry too much about a No Deal

> Brexit. Leave and get on with it.

Oh they DO send money back. a lot of money in fact. I was once randomly reading the small print in one of my adult ed classes. Surprised to see of many funders the EU was one!

Ask Cornwall how much they will lose...

[KidKruger]

?...not worry too much about a no deal Brexit?.

That?s impossible when the effects of such a disaster are already punishing the country and its currency !

Unless welfare of the country and its population is not your main concern.

[JohnL]

I notice Dominic Cummings is the big bad guy now.

The buck still stops with Mr Johnson however - we won't forget that.

[malumbu]

Thanks all for some good posts. Whilst it is recess the new regime are going hammer and tongues at this including the message that it will be the EU's fault for no deal. Daily meetings, departments on full war preparedness. Preparing for the worst and then averting disaster one way or another? May's balanced Cabinet all a million miles away and the last three years conveniently airbrushed out of Tory history.

As for Cummings is he now running the civil service?

[diable rouge]

The irony of Short Cummings is that he is an unelected bureaucrat wielding unaccountable power over the British nation, the very thing Brexiters accused the EU of. Someone who is also prepared to ignore parliamentary sovereignty, another thing Brexiters allegedly fought for. Brexit has become nothing more than a political jihadi cult...

[Sephiroth]

" he is an unelected bureaucrat wielding unaccountable power over the British nation"

exactly

but people like FOXY don't CARE about that really - even when they say they do

It's all about seeing the EU as the enemy (even as they say "our friends and neighbours")

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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>

> It is amazing that the UK sends Money to the E.U.

> in Brussells

> Why are they not sending money to us. London. Why

> are we NOT in charge. ??

>

What have you got to say about this, then, Dulwich Fox?

Child poverty cash handed back to Europe unspent

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49131685

[DulwichFox]

siousxiesue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > We have seen the collapse of many Empires

> > including the British Empire when we once ruled

> > most of the World.

> >

> > The E.U. is just the latest Empire which

> itself

> > will soon break up and expire.

> >

> > It is amazing that the UK sends Money to the

> E.U.

> > in Brussells

> > Why are they not sending money to us. London.

> Why

> > are we NOT in charge. ??

> >

> > Most scams start with a 30day free trial.

> > You know the ones where the small print does

> not

> > allow you to leave without paying to do so.

> > They just keep taking money out of your

> account.

> > You have very little control over it.

> >

> > So lets not worry too much about a No Deal

> > Brexit. Leave and get on with it.

>

Oh they DO send money back. a lot of money in fact.

I was once randomly reading the small print

> in one of my adult ed classes. Surprised to see of

> many funders the EU was one!

>

> Ask Cornwall how much they will lose...

Yes.. and the E.U. tells us what we can spend it on.

Why not keep all the money we send to the E.U. and spend all of it on things we need to spend it on.

Like The NHS, Policing, Schools, restoring TV licences for the over 75's

DF

[pk]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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>

> Yes.. and the E.U. tells us what we can spend it

> on.

>

> Why not keep all the money we send to the E.U. and

> spend all of it on things we need to spend it on.

>

> Like The NHS, Policing, Schools, restoring TV

> licences for the over 75's

>

> DF

why not actually invest a little time researching some facts and getting an understanding of the issues rather than spouting rubbish based on ignorance, that you can't even be consistent with?

[Earl Aelfheah]

So if Johnson successfully forces through a no deal brexit, against the wishes of parliament and the majority of voters, what then?

[diable rouge]

There will be a GE no matter what happens. His strategy is if he No Deals then that kills off the BP and he has a much better chance of winning a GE, question then is who do Remainers vote for, especially if Labour and Lib Dems have been seen to enable No Deal, which is looking likely if they won't form a temp GNU to stop ND...

[JohnL]

Even if Johnson gets no deal, gets an election quick enough after no deal that the reality hasn't sunk in yet and neutralises nigel farage.

He still may not win as brexit might be seen to be over and his job done - Atlee won in 1946

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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>

> Why not keep all the money we send to the E.U. and

> spend all of it on things we need to spend it on.

>

> Like The NHS, Policing, Schools, restoring TV

> licences for the over 75's

>

Dulwich Fox, do you realise how much money is being spent on Brexit?

Before it has even started?

[malumbu]

Churchill ran a bad campaign and Atlee promised a brave new world. BJ will not run a bad campaign and despite many of the good Labour policies Corbyn will not be trusted by the majority of the electorate, like, ummhh, Blair in 97.....

[paulu197]

In order for a good government to exist, one needs a strong opposition to act as a counter weight. It astounds me that Jeremy Corbyn states that the Conservatives are in trouble, yet the Labor party are now on par with the lib dems.

Remove Corbyn, get someone in that appeals to Labor's true heartland and not the champagne socialists. Offer solutions that don't always start with 'tax the wealthy more'. This is nothing more than a tagline.

One of the ironies of the Brexit parliamentary voting is that all nine options were defeated which shows that people either won't compromise OR there is too much confusion. Given that it was a non binding referendum, don't make it binding but acknowledge that the UK is divided on this issue and discuss ways of unifying this great country taking into account peoples beliefs

[Sue]

paulu197 Wrote:

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> Remove Corbyn, get someone in that appeals to

> Labor's true heartland and not the champagne

> socialists.

Eh?

I joined the Labour Party precisely because Corbyn was bringing it back to its core principles!

Who do you think will "appeal to Labour's true heartland"?

And why?

[Sue]

Dulwich Fox:

https://www.facebook.com/100004443780926/posts/1301390650019049/

[Sephiroth]

"I joined the Labour Party precisely because Corbyn was bringing it back to its core principles!

Who do you think will "appeal to Labour's true heartland"? "

My hope is that Labour at least makes itself electable again in my lifetime - 4 years of Corbyn has taken it backwards

When Labour was winning elections (comfortably) it was convincing many people across the country who often vote Tory or LibDem to vote for them. Some people think that's an unworthy goal. But appealing only to people who subscribe to Corbyn/Milne and co will see Labour stuck in opposition for foreseeable future, and the Tories, no matter how dreadful, have a free pass

Being pleased that the current leader is true to "core principles" seems like a privileged indulgence to me

But I do have to accept that times are fractious and polls unreliable - so there is a chance he MIGHT win an election. But then we are stuck with a not very bright or capable man running the country in the aftermath of Brexit - and THAT will see Labour out of power for generations-

So that's me ragging on the Labour party in it's current state - but I am a Labour supporter - just one of the ones that Corbyn supporters like to dismiss as centrist and mock as "sensibles"

[DulwichFox]

Sue Wrote:

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> Dulwich Fox:

>

> https://www.facebook.com/100004443780926/posts/130

> 1390650019049/

Cannot read that.. Do not have a Facebook account. so cannot open link

DulwichFox