Brexit View

[JohnL]

Looks like GDP fell in the 2nd quarter as stockpiles were used up - I'd expect growth in the 3rd quarter as everybody's stockpiling again.

Chaos, this is no way to run a country :(

[diable rouge]

We might not be able to stockpile if warehouses are already filling up with pre-Xmas stuff...

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Cannot read that.. Do not have a Facebook account.

> so cannot open link

See the attached photo :)

[diable rouge]

Let's not forget that ?1bn of that isn't 'new money' as Bozo the Clown keeps saying, it's money the NHS has been stockpiling due to Gov spending caps...

[JohnL]

So the Telegraph have managed to get a COMRES poll to show a mmajority for No Deal (excluding a large amount of don't knows).

Wonder if some are just giving him enough rope to hang himself.

[diable rouge]

The Telegraph is nothing more than a Johnson propaganda rag these days. it's actually quite embarrassing for a so called quality newspaper to prostitute itself like that, and probably explains the dramatic fall in sales...

[snowy]

The ComRes didn't actually report that people were in favour - they just interpreted the data to meet their own agenda.

They also had dreadful Q1 results and put lots of people at risk of redundancy last month - hence their leap to populist

[Hemingway]

Makes me laugh all this wailing now a all those MPs, Labour, LDs, Green (1) who voted against May's WA are complicit if we get No Deal. We should have taken the deal then, is about good as we'll get.

[diable rouge]

Hindsight's a wonderful thing. I don't think No Deal will happen anyway, Cummings is engineering a 'people versus politicians' GE...

[Sephiroth]

"We should have taken the deal then,"

it was a very bad deal (all brexit deals are) and would have led to all manner of problems

Checking with the country to see if they have changed their mind is the only grown up thing to do - staying in is by some distance the best deal and I think enough people know that now

[Sephiroth]

(and if they don't know it by now, if they decide to push ahead, at least it will have legitimacy the current situation doesn't have. It will still be brutally stupid and wrong, but I will shut up about it. All doubt will have been removed)

[Alan Medic]

I started listening to Iain Dale on LBC last night and realised I have just had enough of listening to people who are pro Brexit. I switched over. Getting to the end of my resistance. Part of me just wants to see certain people try and explain away the shit when it hits the fan.

[Sephiroth]

quite so Alan

At this point there is some weird groupthink in play, where even previously sensible people are convincing themselves that No deal won't be too bad

In years to come, this country will be a case study on psychology courses

[JohnL]

snowy Wrote:

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> The ComRes didn't actually report that people were

> in favour - they just interpreted the data to meet

> their own agenda.

>

> They also had dreadful Q1 results and put lots of

> people at risk of redundancy last month - hence

> their leap to populist

The Guardian has managed to put up a little article about polling today - totally coincidental of course.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/13/political-poll-results-polling-industry-data

[snowy]

JohnL Wrote:

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> > The ComRes didn't actually report that people

> were

> > in favour - they just interpreted the data to

> meet

> > their own agenda.

> >

> > They also had dreadful Q1 results and put lots

> of

> > people at risk of redundancy last month - hence

> > their leap to populist

>

>

> The Guardian has managed to put up a little

> article about polling today - totally coincidental

> of course.

>

> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug

> /13/political-poll-results-polling-industry-data

ha, probably as they're on twitter reading the Ipsos Mori responses:

[pk]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> Makes me laugh all this wailing now a all those

> MPs, Labour, LDs, Green (1) who voted against

> May's WA are complicit if we get No Deal. We

> should have taken the deal then, is about good as

> we'll get.

it's weird what some people find funny

[diable rouge]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Getting to the end of my resistance. Part of me

> just wants to see certain people try and explain

> away the shit when it hits the fan.

I have long felt that in order to fully exorcise Brexit once and for all, No Deal has to happen, otherwise there will always be the blame game, ''We didn't get a clean Brexit'' etc etc, and as you say let them own their shit and explain it away. But the damage it would cause at home and abroad, socially and economically, is too great to not and try to resist it. Feck 'em.

Going back to Hemingway's last post, I have no issue with Remain MPs who voted against the WA, they have done it with good intentions, the politicians I have come to despise are the Rudds and Hancocks who in the space of days have gone from saying how bad No Deal would be to saying it'll be ok, for no other reason than pursuing their own political careers. It's these people that if No Deal happens will have a special place in Hell...

[Hemingway]

"it makes me laugh", in a you've got to laugh or cry sense rather than rolling on the floor in hysterics. Just a wry smile at those moaning about the calamitous effects of a 'no deal' when their rejection of May's deal is why we are where we are.

[pk]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> Just a wry smile at those moaning

> about the calamitous effects of a 'no deal' when

> their rejection of May's deal is why we are where

> we are.

no it's not

[Hemingway]

Sephiroth Wrote:

> Checking with the country to see if they have

> changed their mind is the only grown up thing to

> do - staying in is by some distance the best deal

> and I think enough people know that now

It may be - but the Tories are never going to do this and with Corbyn up top nor are Labour. The rest haven't got the numbers. I also think you're very optimistic on the 'enough people' looking at the polls and voting intentions. I think we're pretty much where we were.

[Sephiroth]

"their rejection of May's deal is why we are where we are."

But that rejection is simply a refelection of how ill-defined "Brexit" is

You might think that May's deal is some kind of compromise that would be a foundation for a way forward - but it would have been a house built on sand

Complaining about a no deal AND about the state of May's deal are in no way incompatible positions - both were and are awful ideas. There are other ways forward but noone wants to grasp that nettle

[Hemingway]

pk Wrote:

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> > Just a wry smile at those moaning

> > about the calamitous effects of a 'no deal'

> when

> > their rejection of May's deal is why we are

> where

> > we are.

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> no it's not

If the WA had been voted through we wouldn't now being facing no deal.

[Sephiroth]

"I also think you're very optimistic on the 'enough people' looking at the polls and voting intentions. I think we're pretty much where we were."

obviously we disagree on this - but that doesn't diminish the importance of measuring

[Hemingway]

Ok Sephiroth, Map me out how we get back in without now exiting (an outcome that you and I both agree is by far the best), I just can't see it politically.

[diable rouge]

If No Deal happens it will be because of one reason only, the Tory party putting party before country...