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JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Glastonbury cancelled this morning :(. Expected > but I can feel the devastation on Twitter. > > Maybe there will be some opportunities as > businesses need to change how they operate - > Pubs/Restaurants can now sell takeaway - but not > sure how this will work. Well pubs have staff, stock an kitchens so some will probably offer some sort of 'pub grub' take out and/or delivery rather than shutting up completely

er, the mortality rate has nothing to do with how many people have it. The mortality rate is how many people have it then die.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > dbboy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Oh here we go again, just blame the Government > for > > everything, I fear what it might have been like > > with the left wing party's. > > > > Ironically, the Tories have been throwing money > around (in the budget, not the virus stuff) in a > manner which prior to the election people were > supposedly concerned that Labour would do. > > Where had the Magic Money Tree been hiding all > these past ten years of austerity, and how did it > suddenly magically appear? well it would have already been spent on free broadband for everyone with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge....

You can legitimately argue that the NHS has been underfunded, it's harder to say that it's been 'cut and slashed' when spending has been ring fenced and above inflation since the great crash. whatever your political views false beliefs/ *facts*, however legitamately held need to be challenged. it's palpably untrue that NHS spend has been cut.

To defend the 'un educated' white working class, in reality there's far more racial mixing in terms of marriage, relationships, parenthood, family, working together, living next door etc etc in the working class than among the worthy middle classes who think they're not racist at all but probably have a handful of black friends at most.....

it's a scam. 'knockers' have been going on for years and years, even remember an 80s documentary on it, but sure it was around as a thing way before then

I'm far from woke and despair of 'culture wars' and the whole identity politics idiocy. It'll lead to electoral wilderness for Labour if they keep going down that particular road. But, having said that all, as a white middle-aged, middle class bloke I'm certainly not going to claim any victimhood. It's blatantly ridiculous to do so.

I.m not holding him to a higher standard. I don't know 5% of the legislation passed by the UK parliament since 1973 either because much of it is low level non contentious stuff. Most of the EU law that we use is being fast tracked as is into English law as part of the Brexit process precisely because it's non-contentious.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > stepdown Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > DulwichFox Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Since then, if there has been a conflict > between > > national law and European law the UK courts > have > > to give priority to European law. > > > > Everybody in this thread understands that, the > > question you are unable or unwilling to engage > > with is which laws or conflicts specifically > were > > unacceptable to you. > > As I said there are over 4,200 of them. > I do not know what those laws are or how they > affect us .... and that's the problem We could have vetoed anyone of these, I suspect they are all pretty benign and helpful and low level; most of these are going to be fast tracked exactly into our own law as they currently are as we'll need them still and they are non-contentious; I'd be interested if you could tell me say even 5% all of the legislation that our own parliament has passed since 1973?

I'm in favour of banning Guardian columnists - all feckin' middle-class idiots

You can always get the gardener in to thoroughly inspect her front garden again Bob

oooo whoppee that'll do the trick. waste of time but makes people feel worthy no doubt

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think Louisa got closest to why the working > classes have fragmented and didn't get behind > Labour this time. Corbyn is a republican, but the > working classes traditionally are not republicans, > and nor are they interested in ideological > arguments around radical politics. Corbyn and his > stalwarts had become a parody of a student > revolutionary movement. The manifesto was naive > and failed completely to understand the underlying > aspirational culture of the electorate. > > People don't want socialism. They want > opportunity. Access to decent jobs, owning their > own home, good education and healthcare, and so > on. All things that a fairer form of capitalism > can deliver through a mixed economy. When Labour > makes that case, it wins elections. The next > leader needs to be someone free of controversial > baggage, who can make those arguments and win back > working class support, while persuading the middle > classes that a fairer society is a more harmonious > one. > > What has gone wrong since the financial crash of > 2008 (and let's remember that was a global crash > that emanated from the USA), is that austerity > policy, felt hardest by those on the ground, the > poorest, has been exploited by the likes of Farage > (and a xenophobic underbelly led by the far and > alt right) who created bogeymen to deflect from > the real culprits that have delivered this unfair > system of capitalism, namely our own successive > governments, that have stripped away upward social > mobility. A good example of this is housing > supply. The statistics around changing > demographics, affordability, non replacement of > sold off social homes, and failure to build enough > new homes, have become thrown out for some > nonsense about immigration. It's almost as though > our own governments have had nothing to do with it > through their own regressive policies! That is the > cognitive dissonance at play here. > > Labour were right about quite a few things. We do > live in a world that is being asset and profit > stripped by a ridiculously small number of > corporations and individuals and at a time where a > growing global population is increasingly > aspiration. These two things are going to clash at > some point. And what government do to tax and > regulation matters in addressing this. This will > become an increasing area of discussion in the > future. There is nothing that Boris offers in way > of addressing any of this. And there is real > concern that his Brexit means taking the UK into > tax haven territory. Well tax havens increasingly > use indirect taxation to fill the deficits lost > through direct tax cuts. And the people most > affected by that tax structure, are the poorest. > > But it is also true to say that Boris is not as > home and dry as he thinks he is. He now has to > deliver on all those promises. He also has around > 80 MPs who represent former Labour heartlands, > where working class people feel disenfranchised > precisely because of the broken structures I cite > above. It is not in the Tory mindset to do the > kinds of things that need to be done to fix some > of those things. So for me, the thing to watch > over the next five years, is how hard those 80 MPs > work to try and move the direction of the Tory > party to genuinely serve those constituents. Or > will they not bother? Worth remembering that Boris > is the PM who threw out MPs for defying the whip. > This is dark territory. Also the noises being made > about redressing the power balance between the > courts, civil service, Parliament and the > Executive are dark territory. There will be plenty > for Labour to chew on in opposition, if they > finally find the right leader, and a real chance > for the Tory party to step into the center ground, > if they choose to. It may come as a shock Blah but I agree with most of this. Those 50 new MPs are mainly from their constituencies, comprehensively educated, working class and include a fair few gay and the UKs first out muslim MP, which kind of puts a strain on the 'bigoted upper class Tories" shreiking, . I hope the Tories move to the centre ground, I think they will to some degree

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hemingway Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Oh so you are a feckwit after all. Why am I a > > bullshitter? Not taking it very seriously from > > someone whose already called me out for being a > > Brexiter based on Feck knows what > > Cause whilst you claim to want to remain, in the > Brexit election the only issue you focus on is AS > in the Labour Party to the exclusion of pretty > much all else (including the racist and homophobic > behaviour of others) Er , I didn't set out to write a manifesto or critique everyones policy . I just pointed out the contortions around the denial of AS on social media by many people who claim to be progressive. You have some bizarre logic or don't understand how a forum works. YES I VOTED REMAIN. You think I'm lying on a forum, with hidden identity to a stranger> Bizzare. > > And as someone who claims to have voted green you > claim that climate change is in hand I voted green, I did honestly, cross my heart and hope to die... not some bizarre false claim on an anotminous website, as they were the Remain option with the Liberal Democrats standing down here for them. Surreal man

From Twitter On every level, Corbynism has been a foul debacle. It has stunk out British politics. The dustbin of history awaits. Fuck off back to your paper sales and meetings above pubs. Give politics back to decent people. Well said

Well there. Ooooh Jeremy Corbyn

Right I?m off to watch the election. The only outcome I?d even vaguely be happy with is a hung parliament with the LDs and SNs only supporting a minority Labour government if Corbyn and his hard left , anti-Semitic cabal feck off right out of it. A slim hope.

No it?s not. Just gobsmacked at how many people I genuinely thought were progressive liberal people are excusing the inexcusable. Not on here for clarity, I couldn?t give a feck for the idiotic ramblings of the EDF nowadays

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another in denial or pretending there isn?t a huge problem

Whilst we are on Homophobia. Whilst he was an obscure crank on Labour?s backbenches took, guess who took money from Iranian state TV . A country that literally hangs homosexual men from cranes. There?s not a scale of anti-semitism. You try and squirm out of it as much as you want. A microcosm of so called progressives all over social media today.

Oh so you are a feckwit after all. Why am I a bullshitter? Not taking it very seriously from someone whose already called me out for being a Brexiter based on Feck knows what

Ok. Apologies from me for the Feckwit comment

Er, Yes. I voted remain in the referendum

Post for pk for clarity and was feckwit that got bleeped